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19 Oct 2005, 10:56 pm

I doubt that there is any correlation between vaccines and ASDs. I have unusually eccentric ancestors dating back before most vaccines were invented.



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20 Oct 2005, 11:56 am

The whole idea is that it isn't the vaccine, it's the Rubella and possible problems with the Rubella vaccine. That's the hypothesis to ponder.

I still think parents should get their kids vaccinated though. Or if they did indeed find out that some cases were related in some way to Rubella or the Rubella part of the vaccine, then they could make a vaccine which didn't contain it and the kids could still be protected against everything else.

But I think it should be illegal for a parent to refuse to have their child vaccinated. No matter the prevailing opinion, Autism is still better than playing with death.


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20 Oct 2005, 2:39 pm

In other words, high-functioning autism is better known today.


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20 Oct 2005, 7:57 pm

Just copied a research article today from the journal, Biological Psychiatry, about prenatal Rubella exposure and a correlative development of Schizophrenia. Will be interesting to read what it says.

But it's likely the same as bouchard mentioned: just due to birth complications and other such prenatal damage Rubella can cause.

It seems Rubella can cause just about anything along the neurodevelopmental lines.


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20 Oct 2005, 10:43 pm

It isn't that pregnant women are more susceptible to rubella than other people; what it is, is that if a woman hasn't been immunized before she gets pregnant (as a child, for example), and then she gets rubella while she's pregnant, her unborn child stands a serious chance of being severely messed up. Toxoplasmosis is similar. There are some things that you just do not want to be catching when you're pregnant. Of course, getting the rubella vaccine while pregnant isn't advisable either. In fact, according to some sources, a woman should wait at least 3 months after having the vaccine before getting pregnant.

http://www.marchofdimes.com/pnhec/188_673.asp



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21 Oct 2005, 7:26 pm

chamoisee, there is also mention of some women who remain susceptible to Rubella even after immunization. They don't seem to grow an immunity.

Similar to a friend I had in grade school who never became immune to chicken pox and got them about once or twice a year, every year. Although she usually never got them very bad after the very first time.


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21 Oct 2005, 8:00 pm

Now, that is odd. I would hate to be that person! Can you imagine being susceptible to the same bugs over and over again? Yuck! Did they ever find out why this happened?



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21 Oct 2005, 8:01 pm

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21 Oct 2005, 8:36 pm

chamoisee wrote:
Now, that is odd. I would hate to be that person! Can you imagine being susceptible to the same bugs over and over again? Yuck! Did they ever find out why this happened?


Ditto. 8O

But the last time I knew her, they didn't know why. They probably still don't. There's just something with some people who cannot build an immunity to certain bugs. I wouldn't be surprised if it happens quite often with people but unnoticeably so.


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21 Oct 2005, 10:25 pm

Bec wrote:
I don't think vaccines are related to autism. It's genetic. I was born this way.


I'm glad that there is someone who agrees with me on this. I inquired about this at the CDC (not that they are infalliable in everything they say), and they replied back saying that there was no known cause and effect between autism and vaccinations. I could probably find the e-mail and copy the text here, if you'd like.

One of the reasons why vaccination is under such great fire from people as a cause of autism is that autism is usually discovered and able to be diagnosed around the times that vaccines are given (between the ages of 2 and 4 years of age). If a kid gets vaccinated, then begins having the problems that severe autism brings, their parents will usually attribute the effects of autism to the cause of the vaccine.

And, anyways, why is it the MMR (measles, mumps and rubella) vaccine that is always being attacked? Why not the DTP vaccine, which also causes adverse reactions (and possibly more often than the MMR does, though I'd have to look up the statistics on this)? In the mid-1990s, they changed the DTP to being DTaP, which causes fewer bad reactions than the DTP did.

Not to say that mercury is good to ingest... :twisted:


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22 Oct 2005, 12:48 am

I don't believe in this mercury paranoia going round. But, I also know better than to trust the FDA and CDC. Not that I think there's anything to the mercury thing, so in this case I believe them.

But I am doing this as mere mental masturbation simply because my attention pricked up when I read that bit about the 1960s Rubella outbreak and then the rise in Autism rates (along with other disorders) and then realized that the Rubella vaccine is in that very first booster that everyone is whining about.

It just made me wonder whether there isn't something to the Rubella and for some autties a genetic weakness.

I do not wish to discount it. Anything could potentially be a cause. 14% of Schizophrenia is likely caused by prenatal exposure to the Influenza virus. Schizophrenia also can be caused by Rubella.

I can't just throw it away as "impossible" until I find out more conclusively (if "conclusively" is even possible).

As for the mercury, it doesn't make sense. The main method of mercury poisoning is via the lungs. And even in the case of thimerosal which, to my knowledge, is a different form of Mercury used as a preservative in the boosters, there doesn't seem to be much mercury enough to cause serious damage even if "poisoning" did occur.

Oh well.


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