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22 May 2008, 4:37 pm

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What's worse than a Jewish Zionist?


Hezbollah, who is currently bringing about the downfall of Lebanon.


Trying to hit a nail,eh?

Actually no, Hezbollah wouldn't become so powerful if Zionism didn't exist in the first place so you still worse than hezbollah. It's true that Hezbollah was created by Iran for another reason ("Building an iran version in Lebanon") other than resisting against Israel but their exploiting of the resistance cause that made them to have much ground during the last decades.



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22 May 2008, 4:39 pm

LePetitPrince wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
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What's worse than a Jewish Zionist?


Hezbollah, who is currently bringing about the downfall of Lebanon.


Trying to hit a nail,eh?

Actually no, Hezbollah wouldn't become so powerful if Zionism didn't exist in the first place so you still worse than hezbollah. It's true that Hezbollah was created by Iran for another reason ("Building an iran version in Lebanon") other than resisting against Israel but their exploiting of the resistance cause that made them to have much ground during the last decades.


And why is Israel such a strong incentive to recruitment?



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22 May 2008, 4:44 pm

Because Muslims all over the world want the Zionist colony to disappear.



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22 May 2008, 4:47 pm

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Because Muslims all over the world want the Zionist colony to disappear.


Where is this colony's motherland?



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22 May 2008, 4:52 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
LePetitPrince wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
LePetitPrince wrote:
What's worse than a Jewish Zionist?


Hezbollah, who is currently bringing about the downfall of Lebanon.


Trying to hit a nail,eh?

Actually no, Hezbollah wouldn't become so powerful if Zionism didn't exist in the first place so you still worse than hezbollah. It's true that Hezbollah was created by Iran for another reason ("Building an iran version in Lebanon") other than resisting against Israel but their exploiting of the resistance cause that made them to have much ground during the last decades.


And why is Israel such a strong incentive to recruitment?


It's because fanaticism drags fanaticism. When you have a nation based on extremism and ruled by ugly long-bearded dirty zealots attacking another nation for long time , the opposing nation (or people) will become with time a nation ruled by other ugly opportunists long-bearded dirty zealots too. Scums attract scums , it was always like this.



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22 May 2008, 5:01 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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Because Muslims all over the world want the Zionist colony to disappear.


Where is this colony's motherland?


The Jews believe they are all decended from the prophet Abraham, who they regard as the first Jew. Abraham was a migrant to the Canaan (northern Israel) from Ur, in Mesopotamia (mordern Iraq). However, Iraq is not the earliest trace, Abraham is the 8th generation descendant of Noah, and Noah's ark crashed on Mt Ararat in Turkey (or so says the bible). Hence, the earliest Jewish homeland (or rather, all humanity) is Mt Ararat. As Noah is not considered a Jew, it's technically Ur.



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22 May 2008, 5:36 pm

Khan_Sama wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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Because Muslims all over the world want the Zionist colony to disappear.


Where is this colony's motherland?


The Jews believe they are all decended from the prophet Abraham, who they regard as the first Jew. Abraham was a migrant to the Canaan (northern Israel) from Ur, in Mesopotamia (mordern Iraq). However, Iraq is not the earliest trace, Abraham is the 8th generation descendant of Noah, and Noah's ark crashed on Mt Ararat in Turkey (or so says the bible). Hence, the earliest Jewish homeland (or rather, all humanity) is Mt Ararat. As Noah is not considered a Jew, it's technically Ur.


So, should all of Abram's seed return to the land of Sumer?

And yeah, Noah is not a Jew, he'd be everyone.



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22 May 2008, 5:54 pm

The Mother should know topic

Yep, another Muslim country. Send them all to Turkey. :roll:

And, yes, the reason for Hezbollah is Zionism. Talk about circular arguments. :lol:

No wonder the solution is untenable.


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23 May 2008, 12:02 pm

Khan_Sama wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Khan_Sama wrote:
Because Muslims all over the world want the Zionist colony to disappear.


Where is this colony's motherland?


The Jews believe they are all decended from the prophet Abraham, who they regard as the first Jew. Abraham was a migrant to the Canaan (northern Israel) from Ur, in Mesopotamia (mordern Iraq). However, Iraq is not the earliest trace, Abraham is the 8th generation descendant of Noah, and Noah's ark crashed on Mt Ararat in Turkey (or so says the bible). Hence, the earliest Jewish homeland (or rather, all humanity) is Mt Ararat. As Noah is not considered a Jew, it's technically Ur.


Wow, what a downward spiral of argumentation.


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23 May 2008, 12:07 pm

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The Mother should know topic

Yep, another Muslim country. Send them all to Turkey. :roll:

And, yes, the reason for Hezbollah is Zionism. Talk about circular arguments. :lol:


It's not the "reason"; reason is fully lacking for terrorists, unless internal Satanic hatred is a "reason".
Rather, "insanity" would be the more accurate term.
Israel's modern founding provided a local focus for Islamic hatred of Jews,
which is all but universal, as everyone knows.

So, to imply that, without modern Israel, Hezbollah or an equivalently-hateful Islamic organization would not exist,
and would not be at odds with Lebanon, is absurd and ill-informed conjecture.

Modern Israel is sitting there on its own tiny parcel of land, producing cutting-edge medical breakthroughs for the whole world,
and, singularly among all the nations, has never been at war anyone who didn't attack it first.

I posted that Israel delivered over 49,000 tons of aid to its enemies -- those who have sworn to pursue
its utter destruction, and the death of every Jew in Israel.

Let's review the rather concise list, shall we?

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The Israel Defense Forces (IDF), in cooperation with the Gaza District Coordination and Liaison Office as well as international aid organizations, have brought food, supplies and fuel to Gaza's civilian population in order to assist Palestinian humanitarian needs after the Iran-backed terrorist organization Hamas violently seized total control of the Gaza Strip June 25. [1]

Additionally, nearly 50 Palestinian patients have been transferred by the IDF to Israeli hospitals for medical treatment.

Despite numerous security risks to the IDF, the delivery of aid continues. It is transported via four main crossing sites: Map of Crossings Courtesy of the BBC

1. Kerem Shalom has been the main crossing for humanitarian aid into the Gaza Strip since June 15, 2007. However, it was closed from June 25-26 due to rocket attacks launched from Gaza. On July 9, two rockets were fired at the crossing; one made a direct hit.

2. Sufa is primarily a back-up for the Kerem Shalom crossing in the event of rocket attacks. It is also used as a point to transfer supplies, food and medical equipment to Gaza.

3. Erez is an international crossing used for the passage of foreign and Palestinian employees of international organizations, diplomats and urgent humanitarian cases. As of June 18, Erez was re-opened to foreign journalists. Nearly 350 foreigners have used this crossing to leave the Gaza Strip, in addition to several hundred Palestinian refugees. This crossing also has been used to bring Red Cross workers and equipment into the Gaza Strip.

4. Nahal Oz has been used to transfer fuel to the Gaza Strip since June 15. Thousands of liters of gasoline and petrol, as well as millions of liters of diesel fuel have been pumped into Gaza.


Medical Aid to the Gaza Strip

The following is a list of the medical aid the Israel Defense Forces has enabled to pass through border-crossings following the Hamas takeover of the Gaza Strip:


June 19, 2007
Kerem Shalom Crossing:

30 tons of medical supplies
5 Palestinians were transferred to Israeli hospitals to obtain medical treatment
June 20, 2007
Erez Crossing:

Medical Supplies
98,000 vaccines against chicken pox, tuberculosis, tetanus and rubella
9 Palestinians were transferred by the IDF to Israeli hospitals to obtain medical treatment
June 21, 2007
Erez Crossing:

2 Red Cross surgeons went into Gaza to assist area hospitals
8 Palestinians were transferred to Israeli hospitals to obtain medical treatment
Kerem Shalom Crossing:

7 tons of disinfectants
June 22, 2007
Kerem Shalom Crossing:

Medical supplies for dialysis
5 Palestinians were transferred by the IDF to Israeli hospitals to obtain medical treatment
June 24, 2007

Kerem Shalom Crossing:

A truck containing medicine
June 26, 2007
Sufa Crossing:

A truck of medical supplies donated by international organizations
June 27, 2007
Erez Crossing:

50,000 vaccinations
22 Palestinians were transferred to Israeli hospitals to obtain medical treatment
July 1, 2007
Kerem Shalom, Sufa and Erez Crossings:

5 tons of medical equipment for babies
11 lbs (5 kg) of medical equipment
8,433 vaccines
July 2, 2007
Kerem Shalom Crossing:

20 trucks of aid, including medical supplies
July 3, 2007
Kerem Shalom Crossing:

22 tons of medicine and powdered milk
3 truckloads of medicine and medical equipment
July 8-13, 2007
Kerem Shalom Crossing:

1,050 tons of supplies, including medical supplies
Sufa crossing:

8,880 tons of supplies, including medical supplies
July 15-19, 2007
Sufa Crossing:

5,411 tons of supplies including medical supplies

Humanitarian Aid to the Gaza Strip

The following is a list of humanitarian aid (food and supplies) that, through the coordination of the IDF, was delivered from Israel into Gaza through border-crossings following the Hamas takeover of the Gaza Strip:

June 19, 2007
Kerem Shalom Crossing:

200 tons of basic food products
June 20, 2007
Kerem Shalom Crossing:

200 tons of flour
40 tons of meat
23,775 gal (90,000 liters) of milk
6,604 gal (25,000 liters) of cooking oil
June 21, 2007
Kerem Shalom Crossing:

130 tons of flour
49 tons of rice
49 tons of sugar
5 tons of tea
8 tons of milk powder
33 tons of crushed lentils
19.7 tons of lentils
30 tons of margarine
18.5 tons of barley
34 tons of macaroni
20 tons of beans
15 tons of humus
2 tons of soup
June 22, 2007
Kerem Shalom Crossing:

19,813 gal (75,000 liters) of milk
o 120 tons of animal feed
June 24, 2007
Kerem Shalom Crossing:

20 trucks containing sugar, cooking oil, eggs and milk products
Sufa Crossing:

537 tons of animal feed
581 tons of straw
June 26, 2007
Sufa Crossing:

38,569 gal (146,000 liters) of milk
733 tons of animal feed
150 tons of flour (with an additional 292 tons donated by international organizations)
473 tons of sugar
3 trucks of seedlings
A truck of reproductive eggs
A truck of food packages and a truck of domestic equipment donated by international organizations
June 27, 2007
Kerem Shalom Crossing:

24 trucks of humanitarian aid
Sufa Crossing:

581 tons of animal feed
319 tons of straw
327 tons of sugar
164 tons of flour
5 tons of semolina
37,777 gal (143,000 liters) of oil
134 tons of rice
27 tons of seedlings
32 tons of salt
30 tons of baby formula
6,340 gal (24,000 liters) hypochlorite (water purifier)
June 28, 2007
Kerem Shalom and Sufa Crossings:

569 tons of animal feed
269 tons of flour and 7 more truckloads
222 tons of straw
187 tons of sugar
143 tons of bananas
9 truckloads of fruit
98 tons of salt
78 tons of cooking oil
28 tons of humus
12 tons of milk powder
7,925 gal (30,000 liters) of milk
661,386 lbs (300,000 kg) of seedlings
Karni Crossing:

480 tons of wheat seeds
June 30, 2007
Kerem Shalom, Sufa and Erez Crossings:

676 tons of sugar
637 tons of straw
375 tons of animal feed
191 tons of fruit
159 tons of salt
30,664 gal (116,000 liters) of cooking oil
79 tons of bananas
18,756 gal (71,000 liters) of milk
36 tons of rice
36 tons of tea
33 tons of meat
5,548 gal (21,000 liters) of hypochlorite (water purifier)
20 tons of coffee
20 tons of cocoa
14 tons of milk powder
4 tons of fertilized eggs
10 tons of diapers
July 2, 2007
Kerem Shalom Crossing:

20 trucks containing fruit, milk products, baby diapers, meat, medical supplies, fertilized eggs and oil
Sufa Crossing:

556 tons of animal feed
530 tons of straw
360 tons of sugar
264 tons of flour
205 tons of salt
20,605 gal (78,000 liters) of oil
61 tons of spices
48 tons of rice
49 tons of halva
39 tons of bananas
54 tons of jam
23 tons of carrots
30 tons of barley
29 tons of humus
40 tons of corn
20 tons of hypochlorite (water purifier)
14 tons of canned meat
6.5 tons of tea
100 tons of powdered milk
July 3, 2007
Kerem Shalom Crossing:

22 tons of medicine and powdered milk
40 tons of frozen meat
66 tons of dairy products
59 tons of meat
5 tons of fertilized eggs
115 tons of fruit
42 tons of bananas
2 truckloads of disposable diapers
Sufa Crossing:

423 tons of animal feed
505 tons of straw
321 tons of sugar
354 tons of flour
74 tons of salt
28 tons of spices
28 tons of pasta
14 tons of canned food
29 tons of tomato sauce
26 tons of fine flour
24 tons of tuna
27 tons of peanuts
14 tons of jam
13 tons of cooking oil
7 tons of hyssop
22 tons of canned full
7 tons of raspberry juice powder
July 8-13, 2007
Kerem Shalom Crossing:

1,050 tons of supplies, including food, dairy products, meat products, fruit, cooking oil and reproductive eggs
Sufa Crossing:

8,880 tons of supplies, including food, dairy products, flour, sugar, reproductive eggs, rice, cooking oil, straw, animal feed and raw food materials
Karni Crossing:

4,180 tons of wheat seed
July 15-19, 2007
Sufa Crossing:

5,411 tons of supplies, including pasta, fruit, fish, dairy products, flour, sugar, meat, rice, cooking oil, straw, seedlings, spices, candy and diapers


http://www.theisraelproject.org/site/c.hsJPK0PIJpH/b.3051755/k.813A/IDF_Coordinates_Aid_to_the_Gaza_Strip.htm



Now, class, is Israel doing more (a) good for the Middle East and the world, or (b) bad?

LPP, in your response to the question, please provide a list of aid that Hezbollah, Lebanon, or ANY Arab country
has ever provided for Israel. Fair's fair.


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23 May 2008, 5:52 pm

This whole argument of returning the land to the Palestinians is stupid. Wasn't the region under Ottoman rule before 1917??

GIVE THE LAND BACK TO THE TURKS!!


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23 May 2008, 6:14 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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Because Muslims all over the world want the Zionist colony to disappear.


Where is this colony's motherland?


germany?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ashkenazi