Marilyn Manson

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How? She's still successful without him. And his new little girlfriend can NOT [though she tries] pull off the gothic '40s noir look like Dita can..


Anyway, I think he's okay. I haven't listened to all his stuff, but there's a few songs I really like-- Coma Black and Coma White especially.

I love MM, both the character and the music. He's just interesting. Do I agree with everything he says? No. I think in some ways he's horrible, a real as*hole. But in other ways he's just so freaking right. And really, the whole character is just fascinating. I want to read his autobiography eventually.

My favorite album by him is "Holy Wood," though I think that "Mechanical Animals" is the most creative (I just don't like glam much). I might like "Antichrist Superstar" the best if it didn't have such that old 1996 sound to it (I don't like how albums that came out before 2000 sound, can't help it)...so as it is I like the songs but not the sound. Hah.

As for "Eat Me, Drink Me," it's grown on me since I first heard it, but I still think it was a total waste of potential. If MM was making an album with themes of Lolita and Alice in Wonderland, it should have sounded like a Marilyn Manson album crossed with Chris Vrenna's soundtrack to "American McGee's Alice" (which MM is definitely aware of, since he said he was going to use that very same soundtrack to his film "Phantasmagoria," in which he plays Lewis Caroll--if that ever gets released--which is weird enough because of the fact that Marcus Nispel was supposed to be in line to direct an actual film adaptation of "American McGee's Alice," not to mention Tim Burton directing an "Alice in Wonderland" movie of his own!). Anyway, "Eat Me, Drink Me" didn't sound anything like an MM album OR a Dark Wonderland album. Even the lyrics suck--and in interviews he talks on and on about all these interesting things that he says are in the album, but they're just not in there. That said, it does have some great sad songs. I love the title track and "If I Was Your Vampire."

None taken, but I think it's hilarious you say that, because your avatar is of NIN and MM and Trent Reznor have been friends for a long-ass time. Not to mention the video for "Happiness in Slavery" was sicker than anything MM's ever done. XD



Heheh, Coma Black is my favorite song by him.

As for Dita, well...I respect her for divorcing him. He cheated on her with Evan Rachel Wood. He took Wood's virginity ("Heart-Shaped Glasses" strongly hints at this, anyway). Remember that Manson used to be a fan of Dita, before he was famous...then again, I can't imagine marrying MM and then thinking he WOULDN'T cheat on you.

Jeodie white is a good guy...
great musician...

You don't really think of rock-singers as intellectuals but his book "Long hard way out of hell" is actually a pretty good book about growing up, and about mansons life.

I've read it when I was 13, I remember only a few lines.

I remember his dog was killed by a friend, and I also remember that he had a traumatic experience in his grandfather basement. His grandfather had certain rather bizzare fetishes, he would masturbate before naked pornographic pictures of astro from the jetsons and things like that. Actually if this would happen today it would be pretty normal, a lot of people do such things nowadays. (If they didn't it wouldn't be so easy to find disney-related porn)

I remember his quote from the book "I realized then that a lot of things that I thought were pure actually aren't"
This traumatic experience is seen in many of his songs "Fails to see the tragic, turning into magic " - Dope Hat
(I think) (Not directly but the same pattern - change from impure to pure- pure to impure)
or "The boy that you loved is the master you fear"
- Somewhere in the album hollywood (I don't remember, the last time I listened to him I was like 14)

Another experience which might have shaped his personality. Is that he was at a private school, where he pretty much rebeled a lot, and never got into trouble. And when he once pinned some tapes of a poorer boy he was kicked out right away. (If I remember correctly, this or something similar happened). Anyways this might have been one of the incidents that aroused subconscious guilit feelings in manson, which are reflected in his music.


If I remember correctly manson was originally a writer, and after being a music writer for quite some time, he became a musician.
It's not really such a weird transition. The best pick-up artist Style, was once a writer for the new york times, and after he wrote an article about pick-up artists, became a PUA himself.


If I remember correctly manson repeatedly stated that he took his inspiration for most of his songs/ music videos from his dreams. Which would also hint on the infulence of his past traumas on his work.


OH yeah, oh yeah. I just remembered another trauma of his. When he was little he and his little friend got chained up by a little hillbilly- pseudo-satanist, who did a ritual involving them. This might have lead to an incident repetition compulsion, in which manson wanted to subconsciously reconstruct the situation back then.. and make it all better. Which is reflected in the dark/satanic tone of his music.


If I remember correctly manson, although briefly did have a little meeting with Anton LaVey, the founder of the church of satan. He was a little scared of him, but I don't think anton infulenced him all that much.


Manson repeatedly stated that he believed in the bible, only differently than most people- he has his own interpretation.


That's why in one short movie "Beat the Devil" where he starred he was shown reading the Bible.


I would judge him as relatively psychologically healthy though, each of us is filled with compulsions, even the 'healthy" individuals.
(and Psychoanalsysis in my opinion is a to expensive solution for most people. Generally a psychoanalitically inclined therapist will recommend 3 sessions weekly charging 100$ per session)

I doubt he believes in any deity. Some lines in his songs are clearly atheist (such as "I am not a slave of a god that doesn't exist" from The Fight Song, "dead God if you were alive, you know we'd kill you" from GodEatGod, etc) but I don't interpretate those songs as being anti-religious. I always felt he is much against organised religion, stemming from the way it was forced upon him during his quite bad childhood. Being against the organised religion as it is practised or being atheist (or the two combined, which I always think of when listening to MM) does not mean you are against religion in principle, only against the way it is practised.

And as I said, the involvement with the Church of Satan and with LaVey was purely for promotional reasons, which worked by the way as it did bring him some publicity (and unfortunately some naive people thinking he really is a satan worshipper, which he clearly isn't...)

The quote "The boy that you loved is the monster you fear" comes from Man That You Fear, which is on the album Antichrist Superstar. The whole album is a concept album about how a regular boy turns into an evil deity that makes the apocalyps happen (listen to the lyrics of The Reflecting God in particular: "I went to God just to see / and I was looking at me... / Saw heaven and hell were lies / When I'm God, everyone dies!") which is in its turn a metaphor for the change from the regular Brian Warner into the rockstar Marilyn Manson. Man That You Fear is the last regular track on the album in which he looks back upon the apocalypse that just happened ("You can kill yourself now because you're dead in my mind / the boy that you loved is the monster you fear")

Thanks for quoting that song by the way, I am gonna turn it on straight away

he says he worships the devil (probably to attract the media). Monkey on NIN blogger hates Manson's guts like WOW WHAT A RAGE!



i hate Monkey btw, he is on drugs and beer, or so he says....

I'd say he's 50% creep and 50% very smart marketer.

You do realise Trent Reznor has crucified a spider monkey?

the video of Closer, yeah? There is a naked woman and a close-up of a vagina as well in that video. MTV must have had a heart attack when seeing the uncut version for the first time...

The video somehow reminds me of Charles Manson. The whole Downward Spiral album was recorded in the house where Sharon Tate was murdered by the Manson Family and some songs on the album are based on Charlie. In the video to Closer you see sexual perversion, symbols representing insanity, and right after the first chorus a sort of judges team appears. I am not sure if I am right in my interpretation, but to me the video does refer to Charles Manson at numerous moments.

By the way, Trent and Manson have a love/hate relationship. Trent produced the first Manson album and helped him to get a record deal, but afterwards they had a period of no conversation which lasted quite a while. They then came back together to restore the old friendship, that was around the time Manson appeared in the NIN video for Starf***ers Inc.

Yep, yep. They did definitely have a period of mutual hate. I believe that Starf**kers was in many ways a dis to Marilyn Manson and how he became so obsessed with fame (and the video showed Reznor's opinion of "Mechanical Animals" quite blatantly), but Manson seemed to take the criticism and after that they made up.

The Starf**kers video (which shows Reznor's opinion of "Mechanical Animals" quite blatantly):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0hclkb76IvY
(Embedding is disabled)

Interview with Reznor on the Starf**kers video:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=couY-NqGF5A[/youtube]

Reznor and Manson playing Starf**kers live together:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5L340enpj_w[/youtube]

Interview with Reznor and Manson on it:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ckfuNG-aBr8[/youtube]

Starfuckers inc video makes me wanna laugh

A Fat blonde being dunked is ment to be a representation of Courtney Love, she worked with Faith No More for a bit.

Trent looks so gothic on that clip.

marilyn mason is bald?!?

Could be wrong but I believe Starf***ers Inc was directed towards several celebrities Trent somewhat was on bad terms with, including a few females whom he felt only liked his fame, and yes including Manson.

As far as I know Manson and Trent are back on good terms nowadays although I doubt they really work together or will do in the future. Both have established and succesful careers and can make it independently. Without Trent's involvement it would be a question mark though if Marilyn Manson would have ever risen above the local amateur circuit in Florida.

Mmhmm. It was a lot of people. My bad for phrasing it like it was specifically directed to MM rather than just including him....



Good points. I wonder what Trent thinks of "Eat Me, Drink Me"? It's interesting, contrasting it with "Year Zero," not to mention "Ghosts" and "The Slip," especially given that "The Slip" was released as a free download...wonder if Manson would ever do that?

I liked Irresponsible Hate Anthem and Beautiful People. Haven't listened to him in a while. I think I have Mech. Animals somewhere, thought it was OK.
Just to clarify...satanists do NOT believe in "Satan". Look it up.

I'd say Marilyn manson is nihilist music rather than goth or satanic.

I don't like him too much, but his songs have sense. At least, he ignores anyone's opinion and makes money on this.

That's the improtant thing. Don't care what anyone says is the attitude.