Are there any aspies that are NOT politically correct?

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06 Aug 2015, 1:23 am

I think the term "political correctness" itself makes no sense, because the goal of it isn't to be correct or accurate in any way, it's all about trying not to offend people, as if one person's feelings are somehow everyone else's responsibility. It's about feelings, not logic or "correctness".


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06 Aug 2015, 1:47 am

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I think the term "political correctness" itself makes no sense, because the goal of it isn't to be correct or accurate in any way, it's all about trying not to offend people, as if one person's feelings are somehow everyone else's responsibility. It's about feelings, not logic or "correctness".


Thats exactly what they want! For us all to be completely responsible for each other and I don't want any part of that! I'll take care of me just fine, thank you. It's an offshoot of that whole it takes a village BS.


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06 Aug 2015, 5:02 am

Well I don't obsess over it, but if I know a certain wording is bound to offend I am not going to use that wording if there is less offensive wording to express my thoughts.

And what exactly infuriates you...people speaking out about injustice or injustice itself? and what do you mean people standing up for law breakers without good cause? just confusing to me what exactly you meant.


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06 Aug 2015, 5:09 am

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Well I don't obsess over it, but if I know a certain wording is bound to offend I am not going to use that wording if there is less offensive wording to express my thoughts.

And what exactly infuriates you...people speaking out about injustice or injustice itself? and what do you mean people standing up for law breakers without good cause? just confusing to me what exactly you meant.


I know you weren't asking me, but I wanted to post to your post anyway.

I won't use wording I know will offend someone I'm talking to either. However, I don't want to make it illegal to say it or for it to be something I would be fired over unless it was a well defined slur of some sort and not just something somebody now decided they don't like. In other words, I have absolutely no desire to call anyone a <insert your favorite politically correct insult or name here> but I want to be able to without going to jail, paying a fine, getting sued, or losing my job if I say it off the clock and off company property (assuming I actually worked).

I don't mind people speaking out about injustice. We SHOULD speak out against it. However we need to seriously recalibrate injustice and offense in this society. We seriously do. We let a whole lot of s**t go by and complain about piddly other s**t. Nobody will listen to me or change society cause of something I say though, so it doesn't matter.


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06 Aug 2015, 7:17 am

I don't filter or censor myself in thought altho I doubt anybody is that PC, it would be a religion at that point. IRL I usually tell people what they want to hear, I don't see any advantage in offending people and I would hope they would extend the same courtesy to me. There are a time and place for everything, sometimes it is best to try not to rock the boat. I'll rock that boat when I own it.



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06 Aug 2015, 7:53 am

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I don't filter or censor myself in thought altho I doubt anybody is that PC, it would be a religion at that point. IRL I usually tell people what they want to hear, I don't see any advantage in offending people and I would hope they would extend the same courtesy to me. There are a time and place for everything, sometimes it is best to try not to rock the boat. I'll rock that boat when I own it.



No you won't because by then they will have passed laws making it illegal lol. That's what I'm against.

Also, some people DO CENSOR their thoughts, or try to. They take it that seriously and actually think they are doing good and helping people by making us so sensitive and fragile and thin skinned that we have to pass laws about words. I'm not saying that we need to go around saying these things to toughen people up. as*holes do that. But they do it and almost all of us learn to blow them off and tell them to f**k themselves or ignore them. I'm very sorry that some don't, but those who do get a slightly thicker skin. That is a good thing. We shouldn't make the law for the weakest person we should make it for the average person and expect the stronger to defend the weak. That does happen probably more than you think but less than it should. I would defend somebody, because I have been weak and defended before. However, how in the hell could we ever expect to win a war when we are such weak people that we have to pass laws to prevent our feelings from being hurt?

For those who say "I am that weak person and I want the law to protect my feelings" I have this to say; I want laws to change to help me out as well but I know why they don't and it's better for the entire country in general that we have that f*****g car insurance law and that I can't buy whatever the hell I want at the drug store and that nobody forced the military to take me even though my thyroid wouldn't have bothered anything, etc. Once you start accommodating the weakest or the poorest or the most whatever instead of the average person (not the richest either, yeah I know, tax law, that's a whole different thing I'm not even thinking about now, I'm talking criminal and civil law like this) you end up with a country run like a nursery school instead of a functioning society and everybody starts expecting to be coddled and for everybody else to put them first instead of all working together. Basically my point to you folks is I've been there and am there about some things, but not my feelings. It sucks sometimes. It sucks sometimes for everybody no matter who you are. There is no way around it and if your feelings weren't getting hurt and I didn't have to deal with car insurance and the government gave this one this and that one that then we would just have something else that seemed just as important to b***h about a year and a half later, at the latest. I know I would and if you say you wouldn't then you are either lying to yourself or to me. Cause once the big problem you are thinking about is gone, you start focusing on smaller ones and they seem more important as time goes on. So, no. You shouldn't be treated badly and you should either learn to stand up for yourself or somebody should do it for you, but it shouldn't be illegal for somebody else to say something that upsets you. Just like it's best I scrape up my insurance money every month for the car insurance when we get another car, which we won't be able to afford to do (insurance that is, SIL will give him some of his money for the car but not the insurance, what a b***h it's his money before long anyway)

So that is what I think about it. I'm not mean or cold or offensive like that. But we need to keep feelings to ourselves and those around us who can help us with them and they should stay completely out of any government crap.


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06 Aug 2015, 8:00 am

i am always correct. as far as i am concerned, the first string of words that come to my mind that accurately describes something are the words that i will utter.

it is not a legal obligation to be politically correct so i do not concern myself with it.
a lot of depictive resolution is lost when people have to alter what words they use.

for example, if i think that asian music is cacophonous, then i would say so, but someone else who has the same sensation of the music may say they find it "different" in order not to offend.

noone can ever know the truth that the person who said they found it "different" found it cacophonous because they were too timid to say so.

some politically correct terms seem ruder than what they replace. for example, "vertically challenged" implies that a person is having a hard time with their height, whereas the term "short" has no peripheral connotations.

some women may appreciate that terms like "policeman" and "policewoman" have been replaced with "police officer", but some women may think "finally after all these years when women are able to become police, they change the title so as the fact that we are women is removed". whatever.

there is a town near our farm called "black head" who's name recently was changed to "halliday's point" so as not to offend the blacks. but one could say that the white man finds the term "black" offensive and presumes that black people would also, and then proceeds to rename an australian place after a white man as well as removing any reference to the original black heritage. whatever.

it all is a useless mental exercise to worry about people's emotional reaction to words. words are merely descriptive tools, but to many people, words evoke emotions, which is their own hangup.



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06 Aug 2015, 8:16 am

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i am always correct. as far as i am concerned, the first string of words that come to my mind that accurately describes something are the words that i will utter.

it is not a legal obligation to be politically correct so i do not concern myself with it.
a lot of depictive resolution is lost when people have to alter what words they use.

for example, if i think that asian music is cacophonous, then i would say so, but someone else who has the same sensation of the music may say they find it "different" in order not to offend.

noone can ever know the truth that the person who said they found it "different" found it cacophonous because they were too timid to say so.

some politically correct terms seem ruder than what they replace. for example, "vertically challenged" implies that a person is having a hard time with their height, whereas the term "short" has no peripheral connotations.

some women may appreciate that terms like "policeman" and "policewoman" have been replaced with "police officer", but some women may think "finally after all these years when women are able to become police, they change the title so as the fact that we are women is removed". whatever.

there is a town near our farm called "black head" who's name recently was changed to "halliday's point" so as not to offend the blacks. but one could say that the white man finds the term "black" offensive and presumes that black people would also, and then proceeds to rename an australian place after a white man as well as removing any reference to the original black heritage. whatever.

it all is a useless mental exercise to worry about people's emotional reaction to words. words are merely descriptive tools, but to many people, words evoke emotions, which is their own hangup.



I've always said policeman or police lady or mailman or mailman lady, (weird I know) or fireman or lady fireman (just as weird). I do remember when people would make it a point to mention that a doctor was a lady because it wasn't common or a nurse was a guy. I never really did that, but I do stick with the ones that have compound names usually. I don't know why. I also never stop calling someone by the first nickname or name I knew them as, even if they start going by something different when older and I always refer to my female friends by their maiden name but they usually do to me as well and only use married names in certain instances. I try to do that, except the maiden name thing because it's just weird to change that for normal conversation, but it just never feels right.

My daughter's fiance had a nickname when he first started hanging out here with my older son. Everyone called him that but over the years everyone else has slowly stopped it. He doesn't like that nickname. I try not to use it but it's what I know him as and it's so hard to call him by his actual name lol. It makes no sense at all but that is just how I am about that. I don't mean anything when I say lady fireman or police lady or mailman lady, it's just me saying who the person was doing that particular job. It doesn't matter, but it does to some. Oh boy does it to some. If anybody should complain it's my son in law to be, because I hardly ever catch myself and call him by his name instead of his nickname but I do try and I do remember sometimes and I have apologized and he also knows that I do that to everybody. He's ok with it because he knows how it's meant. Others call him by the nickname when they are drinking or joking around or from time to time, but I'm the only one consistantly doing that. So, I don't like to change what I call anyone or anything.

My smart phone is "the telephone" and the universal remote is "the clicker" and I "crank the window down" in the car with power windows, and I "cut the lights out" and I "turn the fire down" under something cooking on my electric stove. Everybody knows what I mean here, and I'm happy to explain to new people.

That went off topic, but it was about a sort of on topic thing. That calling something the same thing as you always have doesn't have to mean anything bad.

About race names and all, I have a black friend who is trying to bring back "colored". He's halfway serious too I think. He's always joking around about stuff and is like me sometimes when you can't tell if he means it or what. He's my age and he says he remembers "Colored" "Negro" "Nigrah" (not a slur, it's the Southern pronounciation of negro - some Yankees confused it with the other N word) "Black" "Afro American" "People of Color" and now he's "African American" and he's a "n***a" too which now apparantly so is everyone under about 30 no matter what color you are. It's used for all races the way "man" was used for both sexes for the first time by the beatnicks in the 50s. He said he likes "colored" best because it'll piss off more of the white liberals who spend their lives getting offended for him. He said he would go for "darkie" but that one actually pisses him off lol. But I do get where he's coming from. You get so tired of people making such a huge deal out of something that doesn't really matter or change anything that you just want to do something, even if it's wrong or silly.


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06 Aug 2015, 9:19 am

I'm not politically correct at all. I generally say what I want, my sense of humor is off color and don't care who gets offended. People these days are too thin skinned and get offended way too easily. It also appears to me that those who get offended and cry about not being politically correct really don't want acceptance for everyone, just for themselves. So I'll go out of way way to offend them due to their hypocrisy.

This whole PC junk appears generational to me. It seems to be more of a Gen Y or millennial thing. It doesn't seem to be as prominent among Gen X-ers or Baby Boomers.



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06 Aug 2015, 12:51 pm

As kids me and my siblings and cousin would call the pizza delivery person 'pizza dude' whether it was a girl or guy...that is probably not 'politically' correct but didn't seem to bother said pizza deliverers, most seemed to think it kind of cute.


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06 Aug 2015, 1:20 pm

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As kids me and my siblings and cousin would call the pizza delivery person 'pizza dude' whether it was a girl or guy...that is probably not 'politically' correct but didn't seem to bother said pizza deliverers, most seemed to think it kind of cute.


I've called close girl friends dude before. I've called my best friend that a lot when sometimes she tells me things that I honestly can think of nothing more to say than just "Dude".

I hung around with guys a lot for a while.

Speaking of using different words for different sexes, when did we do away with "actress"? I was watching the Oscars with my mother a while back and noticed it. I keep meaning to find that out but never do. Is it bad to say that now, or can we still do that? Or is it something that we should just know better than?

Also, why don't they just give us older people a free pass and let the next generation that wants all this go ahead with it. It's not like they listen to us that much anymore anyway! Let those born in the mid 70's and before still say what we want. You know, like how at Walmart after you are 65 they just let you shoplift as long as it's nothing big. Let us say what we want. And shoplift at Walmart. (At least that's how it is at ours in town here)


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06 Aug 2015, 4:34 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
As kids me and my siblings and cousin would call the pizza delivery person 'pizza dude' whether it was a girl or guy...that is probably not 'politically' correct but didn't seem to bother said pizza deliverers, most seemed to think it kind of cute.


Hmmm.......I've racked my brains to find a totally inoffensive term, but no luck so far:

"Pizza dude" - women can be very sensitive to the casting of doubt on their femininity, and they might only be pretending to accept it, afraid of losing their livelihood if they should whinge and precipitate a complaint to their boss.
"Pizza lady" is near, but it's sexist, like "policeman." Gender shouldn't matter here.
"Pizza person" is safer, but it's still not person-first.
"Person-who-delivers-pizzas" seems good, but could easily be taken as sarcasm.
"Hey folks, the pizzas have arrived" could offend, because it ignores the existence of the human being who has so kindly provided the service.

I'm going to go with "pizza monkey" because it's so radically left-wing: it shakes them out of their state of denial (that it's a rather demeaning job), and will therefore help bring about the revolution. And it forces them to question human supremacism, which may be important in fostering the egalitarian utopia that all good socialists want to see.



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07 Aug 2015, 3:01 am

I'm not politically correct.

The trouble is, there are far too many people telling us what we can and can't say these days.

I feel that as long as I am polite and courteous in my own way then I will say what I want to say in which ever way I please.

A spade is a spade as far as I'm concerned.


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07 Aug 2015, 5:06 am

ToughDiamond wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
As kids me and my siblings and cousin would call the pizza delivery person 'pizza dude' whether it was a girl or guy...that is probably not 'politically' correct but didn't seem to bother said pizza deliverers, most seemed to think it kind of cute.


Hmmm.......I've racked my brains to find a totally inoffensive term, but no luck so far:

"Pizza dude" - women can be very sensitive to the casting of doubt on their femininity, and they might only be pretending to accept it, afraid of losing their livelihood if they should whinge and precipitate a complaint to their boss.
"Pizza lady" is near, but it's sexist, like "policeman." Gender shouldn't matter here.
"Pizza person" is safer, but it's still not person-first.
"Person-who-delivers-pizzas" seems good, but could easily be taken as sarcasm.
"Hey folks, the pizzas have arrived" could offend, because it ignores the existence of the human being who has so kindly provided the service.

I'm going to go with "pizza monkey" because it's so radically left-wing: it shakes them out of their state of denial (that it's a rather demeaning job), and will therefore help bring about the revolution. And it forces them to question human supremacism, which may be important in fostering the egalitarian utopia that all good socialists want to see.


If I had the job I would be very much ok and also flattered to be the "Pizza Babe".

However, a totally nonoffensive term would be "The Pizza delivery person" I would think that whoever said that would want to remove the big ole stick from up their rear end before they try to walk to the door though. It would probably be easier.

I think if you are delivering pizza for a living you don't really care what they call you because either you can't get another job and are trying to get by on that so it's the least of your real life worries, or you are a stoner and whatever they call you is kinda funny. But I could be wrong.

I could be the "Opinion babe" though. I'm totally ok with that.


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07 Aug 2015, 5:08 am

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I'm not politically correct.

The trouble is, there are far too many people telling us what we can and can't say these days.

I feel that as long as I am polite and courteous in my own way then I will say what I want to say in which ever way I please.

A spade is a spade as far as I'm concerned.


I feel you, but you really can't say that!

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08 Aug 2015, 6:23 am

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b9 wrote:
i am always correct....



I've always said policeman or police lady or mailman or mailman lady

due to the fact you have quoted my post i feel obliged to co-respond.
i can not think of anything to say however because it is not of interest to me what people call things generally.