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06 Aug 2015, 8:00 am

i am always correct. as far as i am concerned, the first string of words that come to my mind that accurately describes something are the words that i will utter.

it is not a legal obligation to be politically correct so i do not concern myself with it.
a lot of depictive resolution is lost when people have to alter what words they use.

for example, if i think that asian music is cacophonous, then i would say so, but someone else who has the same sensation of the music may say they find it "different" in order not to offend.

noone can ever know the truth that the person who said they found it "different" found it cacophonous because they were too timid to say so.

some politically correct terms seem ruder than what they replace. for example, "vertically challenged" implies that a person is having a hard time with their height, whereas the term "short" has no peripheral connotations.

some women may appreciate that terms like "policeman" and "policewoman" have been replaced with "police officer", but some women may think "finally after all these years when women are able to become police, they change the title so as the fact that we are women is removed". whatever.

there is a town near our farm called "black head" who's name recently was changed to "halliday's point" so as not to offend the blacks. but one could say that the white man finds the term "black" offensive and presumes that black people would also, and then proceeds to rename an australian place after a white man as well as removing any reference to the original black heritage. whatever.

it all is a useless mental exercise to worry about people's emotional reaction to words. words are merely descriptive tools, but to many people, words evoke emotions, which is their own hangup.



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06 Aug 2015, 8:16 am

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i am always correct. as far as i am concerned, the first string of words that come to my mind that accurately describes something are the words that i will utter.

it is not a legal obligation to be politically correct so i do not concern myself with it.
a lot of depictive resolution is lost when people have to alter what words they use.

for example, if i think that asian music is cacophonous, then i would say so, but someone else who has the same sensation of the music may say they find it "different" in order not to offend.

noone can ever know the truth that the person who said they found it "different" found it cacophonous because they were too timid to say so.

some politically correct terms seem ruder than what they replace. for example, "vertically challenged" implies that a person is having a hard time with their height, whereas the term "short" has no peripheral connotations.

some women may appreciate that terms like "policeman" and "policewoman" have been replaced with "police officer", but some women may think "finally after all these years when women are able to become police, they change the title so as the fact that we are women is removed". whatever.

there is a town near our farm called "black head" who's name recently was changed to "halliday's point" so as not to offend the blacks. but one could say that the white man finds the term "black" offensive and presumes that black people would also, and then proceeds to rename an australian place after a white man as well as removing any reference to the original black heritage. whatever.

it all is a useless mental exercise to worry about people's emotional reaction to words. words are merely descriptive tools, but to many people, words evoke emotions, which is their own hangup.



I've always said policeman or police lady or mailman or mailman lady, (weird I know) or fireman or lady fireman (just as weird). I do remember when people would make it a point to mention that a doctor was a lady because it wasn't common or a nurse was a guy. I never really did that, but I do stick with the ones that have compound names usually. I don't know why. I also never stop calling someone by the first nickname or name I knew them as, even if they start going by something different when older and I always refer to my female friends by their maiden name but they usually do to me as well and only use married names in certain instances. I try to do that, except the maiden name thing because it's just weird to change that for normal conversation, but it just never feels right.

My daughter's fiance had a nickname when he first started hanging out here with my older son. Everyone called him that but over the years everyone else has slowly stopped it. He doesn't like that nickname. I try not to use it but it's what I know him as and it's so hard to call him by his actual name lol. It makes no sense at all but that is just how I am about that. I don't mean anything when I say lady fireman or police lady or mailman lady, it's just me saying who the person was doing that particular job. It doesn't matter, but it does to some. Oh boy does it to some. If anybody should complain it's my son in law to be, because I hardly ever catch myself and call him by his name instead of his nickname but I do try and I do remember sometimes and I have apologized and he also knows that I do that to everybody. He's ok with it because he knows how it's meant. Others call him by the nickname when they are drinking or joking around or from time to time, but I'm the only one consistantly doing that. So, I don't like to change what I call anyone or anything.

My smart phone is "the telephone" and the universal remote is "the clicker" and I "crank the window down" in the car with power windows, and I "cut the lights out" and I "turn the fire down" under something cooking on my electric stove. Everybody knows what I mean here, and I'm happy to explain to new people.

That went off topic, but it was about a sort of on topic thing. That calling something the same thing as you always have doesn't have to mean anything bad.

About race names and all, I have a black friend who is trying to bring back "colored". He's halfway serious too I think. He's always joking around about stuff and is like me sometimes when you can't tell if he means it or what. He's my age and he says he remembers "Colored" "Negro" "Nigrah" (not a slur, it's the Southern pronounciation of negro - some Yankees confused it with the other N word) "Black" "Afro American" "People of Color" and now he's "African American" and he's a "n***a" too which now apparantly so is everyone under about 30 no matter what color you are. It's used for all races the way "man" was used for both sexes for the first time by the beatnicks in the 50s. He said he likes "colored" best because it'll piss off more of the white liberals who spend their lives getting offended for him. He said he would go for "darkie" but that one actually pisses him off lol. But I do get where he's coming from. You get so tired of people making such a huge deal out of something that doesn't really matter or change anything that you just want to do something, even if it's wrong or silly.


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06 Aug 2015, 9:19 am

I'm not politically correct at all. I generally say what I want, my sense of humor is off color and don't care who gets offended. People these days are too thin skinned and get offended way too easily. It also appears to me that those who get offended and cry about not being politically correct really don't want acceptance for everyone, just for themselves. So I'll go out of way way to offend them due to their hypocrisy.

This whole PC junk appears generational to me. It seems to be more of a Gen Y or millennial thing. It doesn't seem to be as prominent among Gen X-ers or Baby Boomers.



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06 Aug 2015, 12:51 pm

As kids me and my siblings and cousin would call the pizza delivery person 'pizza dude' whether it was a girl or guy...that is probably not 'politically' correct but didn't seem to bother said pizza deliverers, most seemed to think it kind of cute.


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06 Aug 2015, 1:20 pm

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As kids me and my siblings and cousin would call the pizza delivery person 'pizza dude' whether it was a girl or guy...that is probably not 'politically' correct but didn't seem to bother said pizza deliverers, most seemed to think it kind of cute.


I've called close girl friends dude before. I've called my best friend that a lot when sometimes she tells me things that I honestly can think of nothing more to say than just "Dude".

I hung around with guys a lot for a while.

Speaking of using different words for different sexes, when did we do away with "actress"? I was watching the Oscars with my mother a while back and noticed it. I keep meaning to find that out but never do. Is it bad to say that now, or can we still do that? Or is it something that we should just know better than?

Also, why don't they just give us older people a free pass and let the next generation that wants all this go ahead with it. It's not like they listen to us that much anymore anyway! Let those born in the mid 70's and before still say what we want. You know, like how at Walmart after you are 65 they just let you shoplift as long as it's nothing big. Let us say what we want. And shoplift at Walmart. (At least that's how it is at ours in town here)


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06 Aug 2015, 4:34 pm

Sweetleaf wrote:
As kids me and my siblings and cousin would call the pizza delivery person 'pizza dude' whether it was a girl or guy...that is probably not 'politically' correct but didn't seem to bother said pizza deliverers, most seemed to think it kind of cute.


Hmmm.......I've racked my brains to find a totally inoffensive term, but no luck so far:

"Pizza dude" - women can be very sensitive to the casting of doubt on their femininity, and they might only be pretending to accept it, afraid of losing their livelihood if they should whinge and precipitate a complaint to their boss.
"Pizza lady" is near, but it's sexist, like "policeman." Gender shouldn't matter here.
"Pizza person" is safer, but it's still not person-first.
"Person-who-delivers-pizzas" seems good, but could easily be taken as sarcasm.
"Hey folks, the pizzas have arrived" could offend, because it ignores the existence of the human being who has so kindly provided the service.

I'm going to go with "pizza monkey" because it's so radically left-wing: it shakes them out of their state of denial (that it's a rather demeaning job), and will therefore help bring about the revolution. And it forces them to question human supremacism, which may be important in fostering the egalitarian utopia that all good socialists want to see.



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07 Aug 2015, 3:01 am

I'm not politically correct.

The trouble is, there are far too many people telling us what we can and can't say these days.

I feel that as long as I am polite and courteous in my own way then I will say what I want to say in which ever way I please.

A spade is a spade as far as I'm concerned.


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07 Aug 2015, 5:06 am

ToughDiamond wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
As kids me and my siblings and cousin would call the pizza delivery person 'pizza dude' whether it was a girl or guy...that is probably not 'politically' correct but didn't seem to bother said pizza deliverers, most seemed to think it kind of cute.


Hmmm.......I've racked my brains to find a totally inoffensive term, but no luck so far:

"Pizza dude" - women can be very sensitive to the casting of doubt on their femininity, and they might only be pretending to accept it, afraid of losing their livelihood if they should whinge and precipitate a complaint to their boss.
"Pizza lady" is near, but it's sexist, like "policeman." Gender shouldn't matter here.
"Pizza person" is safer, but it's still not person-first.
"Person-who-delivers-pizzas" seems good, but could easily be taken as sarcasm.
"Hey folks, the pizzas have arrived" could offend, because it ignores the existence of the human being who has so kindly provided the service.

I'm going to go with "pizza monkey" because it's so radically left-wing: it shakes them out of their state of denial (that it's a rather demeaning job), and will therefore help bring about the revolution. And it forces them to question human supremacism, which may be important in fostering the egalitarian utopia that all good socialists want to see.


If I had the job I would be very much ok and also flattered to be the "Pizza Babe".

However, a totally nonoffensive term would be "The Pizza delivery person" I would think that whoever said that would want to remove the big ole stick from up their rear end before they try to walk to the door though. It would probably be easier.

I think if you are delivering pizza for a living you don't really care what they call you because either you can't get another job and are trying to get by on that so it's the least of your real life worries, or you are a stoner and whatever they call you is kinda funny. But I could be wrong.

I could be the "Opinion babe" though. I'm totally ok with that.


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07 Aug 2015, 5:08 am

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I'm not politically correct.

The trouble is, there are far too many people telling us what we can and can't say these days.

I feel that as long as I am polite and courteous in my own way then I will say what I want to say in which ever way I please.

A spade is a spade as far as I'm concerned.


I feel you, but you really can't say that!

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08 Aug 2015, 6:23 am

OliveOilMom wrote:
b9 wrote:
i am always correct....



I've always said policeman or police lady or mailman or mailman lady

due to the fact you have quoted my post i feel obliged to co-respond.
i can not think of anything to say however because it is not of interest to me what people call things generally.



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08 Aug 2015, 6:34 am

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As kids me and my siblings and cousin would call the pizza delivery person 'pizza dude' whether it was a girl or guy...that is probably not 'politically' correct but didn't seem to bother said pizza deliverers, most seemed to think it kind of cute.

it is the pizza that is the subject of the matter so i would simply say "the pizza is here" and disregard the manner in which it arrived.



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08 Aug 2015, 7:01 am

If you don't make a big show of being racist, sexist or something like that, and face the consequences, there's always someone who will consider you politically correct and call you out on it.


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08 Aug 2015, 7:13 am

there was a person a few years ago who used to service the trucks in the parking lot of a company i worked for as a programmer, and where i parked my car every time i went there for a meeting.

there was a person who i liked and had chats with on the occasions i parked my car when he was there.

this went on for about 4 years until one day i drove in and parked, and when i got out, the friend of mine introduced me to the man standing next to him and said that they were a couple. i was surprised and remarked that i was not aware he was gay and then he informed me that he was a girl and i was even more surprised that i never noticed he was a girl.

many other people in the company told me that the person i thought was a man was actually a very beautiful girl with short hair and who wore overalls, but i never thought about it. i always thought she was a man.