For those who have taken FRT, Figure Reasoning Test

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16 Sep 2008, 10:51 am

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I did the test yesterday (Mensa Finland) and I could do all the questions from FRT, and had over 2 minutes to re-check. I quess that a couple of questions can go wrong for > 131 result... Max score from FRT can't be over 150, it wasn't that hard. Actually little too easy.

FRTs score is not dependent on person's age, previous test (Cattell or raven) was. So American Mensa has just lower prequisities than Mensa Sweden? I smell money.

How big is the annual fee or once-in-life-time -payment there in American Mensa?

e. i got hit from google btw, I don't have aspergers. :)


You didn't tell us the minimum raw score required. I also hope that you share with us your results when you receive them.


Raw score reguired for membership? It's 131, because test uses standard definion of 15; I don't know how many of the answers should be correct out of 45, but can quess... I asked around, and max IQ-score from "smaller" FRT (form A only) is only 135 (top 99 percentile)... FRT can be done in a "larger version" with both A and B form, then it takes about an hour (20min for form A and 40min for form B). Done that way it can measure higher IQ's, but I don't know how high.

So 38/45 score for membership (IQ of 131, top 2%) is absolutely a joke, there is no way that score like that could surpass an IQ of 125 (as said), when max score is as low as 135. Tests maximum measurable IQ should be much higher that 135, for that to be possible. This is my honest opinion.

I tell you as soon as i get the results, testers could only tell that results are ready in about a month. I'm pretty excited, there are so little room for error. When I left test room I was like "it was so easy", now i'm not so sure after I heard that max IQ is so low. I think that 3-4 error are max.



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16 Sep 2008, 12:21 pm

Thanks.



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16 Sep 2008, 12:44 pm

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What about the percentage of failers in Mensa regarding FRT in contrast to the older test Ravens]? Do people find it harder or easier?


Puzzles are a bit tougher in Raven's advanced progressive matrices and they take more time to solve; test also has much longer timelimit. I think IQ scores between tests correlate something like 0.90 or so, means that they correlate very much. All "g-factor loaded" test correlate well with each other, people usually tend to get almost same results from FRT, cattell-cattell, Raven's APM etc... Difference is that other tests measure higher IQ's than others. More accurate tests need more time naturally.



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16 Sep 2008, 12:53 pm

Although I didn't mean to become tiring, you answered my question. Thanks again.



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30 Sep 2008, 12:35 am

Legis wrote:
I did the test yesterday (Mensa Finland) and I could do all the questions from FRT, and had over 2 minutes to re-check. I quess that a couple of questions can go wrong for > 131 result... Max score from FRT can't be over 150, it wasn't that hard. Actually little too easy.


Results came here yesterday, and I got >135 :)... It means I got all correct. You get 135 if you have 1-2 mistakes, and >135 if there is none. In the same letter came also membership application, which I posted yesterday already.



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30 Sep 2008, 2:08 pm

Today I got my results too. Mine is 135 >= too! 1-2 mistakes do not influence the test ceiling, obviously. But I still do not know what is the maximum of mistakes for IQ 131 [Mensa level]. Congratulations to you. Beside my result it has both the symbols >=135 [135 higher or equal].



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01 Oct 2008, 6:58 am

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Today I got my results too. Mine is 135 >= too! 1-2 mistakes do not influence the test ceiling, obviously. But I still do not know what is the maximum of mistakes for IQ 131 [Mensa level]. Congratulations to you. Beside my result it has both the symbols >=135 [135 higher or equal].


Congratulations to you too!:) I think 5 or 4 wrongs are max. For example:

4 wrong = 131
3 wrong = 133
2 wrong = 135
1 wrong = higher or equal 135
0 wrong = higher than 135

That's just a quess... Anyway, good work from both of us. It hasn't come clear to me yet that how I can join Mensa International's Forum. Is it only through subscription to Mensa journal; members of sub-Mensas doesn't have automaticly right to join...? Maybe there is some kind of discount to journal subscription for mensa members however.



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01 Oct 2008, 8:33 am

Read MIL constitution.



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01 Oct 2008, 8:40 am

Are you sure that the scale 135> [without =] exists ?



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02 Feb 2010, 11:30 am

FRT is not age corrected. RAPM II (set) is age corrected.



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02 Feb 2010, 11:31 am

Legis wrote:
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I did the test yesterday (Mensa Finland) and I could do all the questions from FRT, and had over 2 minutes to re-check. I quess that a couple of questions can go wrong for > 131 result... Max score from FRT can't be over 150, it wasn't that hard. Actually little too easy.


Results came here yesterday, and I got >135 :)... It means I got all correct. You get 135 if you have 1-2 mistakes, and >135 if there is none. In the same letter came also membership application, which I posted yesterday already.


Maybe ceiling is not affected by only one wrong answer to question.



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02 Feb 2010, 11:32 am

mumiland wrote:
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I did the test yesterday (Mensa Finland) and I could do all the questions from FRT, and had over 2 minutes to re-check. I quess that a couple of questions can go wrong for > 131 result... Max score from FRT can't be over 150, it wasn't that hard. Actually little too easy.


FRT and RAPM are different tests AND THE FIRST IS NOW USED BY MENSA.



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27 Apr 2016, 12:54 pm

Do you think it can be possible that depending on which question/-s you get wrong you get a different IQ score?



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04 Nov 2016, 8:55 am

Did anyone from those who took FRT or RAPM prepare/practice before it in some way?
What previous experience in this kind of tests did you have and do you think that it affected your score?