New study finds no link between measles vaccine and autism

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11 Sep 2008, 12:51 pm

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i heard about that mercury thing too, but maybe its not the substance

maybe its the mercury that is in a womans dna, genes or whatever?

What on earth are you talking about?

Mercury is an element. Mercury is a toxin. It plays no part in anyone's body.



Lol. Mercury is a bioaccumulative neuro-toxin. As in, it accumulates in the body and poisons it. A drop is enough to cause major, major problems if not death. And yes, it's also an element.


But no, Shawn, MMR doesn't and didn't have the mercury preservative Thimerosal in it - others did have, in pretty high quantities, and a number still do. The mercury thing I'm sure plays a part, but probably a more minor one than what's usually stated - given the nature of the other preservatives and adjuvants in MMR and the reactions seen it's likely to be something else. You also have to bear in mind that it's usually given with a bunch of other vaccines alongside these days, which means a major assault on the immature immune system, and not a lot of research has been done into how the various adjuvants and preservatives and additives etc actually interact with one another chemically, which could also go a long way to explaining what's causing these reactions and these deaths. I'm beginning to feel now as if the mercury idea is being spread around more by people who are pro-vaccine to make those of us campaigning against them look stupid (given that MMR didn't have it) - don't buy the bull.

You can see a full list of the excipients here on the CDC site:
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbo ... able-2.pdf




Lau, again, I suggest you read the book I've mentioned a few times on here, Fear Of The Invisible, by Janine Roberts. It contains all the background information on their manufacture - both past and present - with full references, names of contacts and scientists she's interviewed, sources, etc etc. It isn't a 'conspiracy theory' book - it's written by an extremely highly respected investigative journalist employed by the BBC and ABC amongst others. But it does have all the data in there backing up what I just said about contaminants etc. If you don't read it then I can assume you aren't actually interested in having a reasonable discussion here.

I'm not throwing conspiracy theories out there or being unreasonable.


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11 Sep 2008, 1:22 pm

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Apologies for the long post, but this should answer your question.

This is taken from Chapter Four of Janine Roberts' fantastic book 'Fear Of The Invisible', which I would encourage everyone to purchase. It's available in bookstores or you can get it online here:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Fear-Invisible- ... 0955917727

I'm not usually big on quoting big quotes from books, or at all, but I'll make an exception here.


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The hunt for a virus that cuases polio began in the first years of the 20th Century as an emergency response to the horrifying onset of major epidemics of paralytic polio in Sweden and the United States. It was guided by a new scientific hypothesis then gathering strength that we now know of as the 'Germ Theory of Disease'.

These polio epidemics were new - and yet poliomyelitis, to give it its full name, was not a new disease. It had been around for centuries and was lnog associated with metal working. But the virus we now blame for polio is a common human gut virus with no obvious connection to metalworking. This virus is produced solely by human cells, and spreads from us to be common in soil. Human infants acquire lifelong immunity to it as soon as they go into the garden and put a grubby hand in their mouth, as stated in a paper published on the website of the Centers for Disease Control (DCD) in the US.*

So - how did this virus come to cause these crippling and eadly epidemics? Sit back comfortably and read on, for this is also the story of the birth of modern virology and much of modern medicine. It took me some time to untangle it - but I think i can now explain it quite straightforwardly.

Polio at its worst causes paralysis of the chest muscles of children, thus suffocating its victims. It was thus formerly known as Infantile Paralysis. The critical damage is to the motor neurone cells inside the backbone that control the chest muscles. Some children were so crippled that they could only breathe through being put into 'iron lungs'. Many died - but fortunately these were only a small proportion of those afflicted. In most cases the paralysis was only temporary and minor, some victims scarely felt paralysed at all - but nevertheless these epidemics were unpredictable and thus totally terrifying. They hit at kids and they struck in the manner of bushfires in summer, sometimes destorying a whole neighbourhood but then not returning for years.

'Poliomyelitis' comes from the Greek for 'inflammation of the grey spinal cord'; the grey marrow of our backbone where live the motor neuron cells that control our muscles. Damage to these cells can cause paralysis. Going by skeletons and paintings of victims, it has been around from the time of ancient Egypt. What was new, when the polio epidemics started at the end of the 19th century, was that it had never before struck at so many at once and had never before been epidemic.

These epidemics grew to a climax in 1952 when some 3,000 Americans died - but one should put this in context. In 1957 an influenza epidemic reportedly killed 62,000 in the US and in 1950 34,000 died of tuberculosis.

But polio was considered worse because it mostly targeted children - and inexplicably children not living in poverty. It mostly struck at middle-class children who presumably had good sanitary cnditions at home. Also, winter is normally the time when infections kill, when cold and damp affect immune systems, so why were these 'Summer Plagues'?

The British Medical Journal currently reports on its website for students: 'Polio was never a big killer, but the evil of this diesease was its ability to reappear and disappear every summer and autumn.'** Why was the virus only active around harvest time? This is still an enigma for virology although, as you will find, the toxicologists had an explanation ...

[Page and a half explaining how polio was often associated with dirty water; that good diets including lots of fruit did little to protect children; that Franklin D. Roosevelt was a victim after swimming in polluted seawater; laboratories in the US became involved in a race to develop a vaccine, in what became the present day 'war on viruses]

... I was surprised to discover that during the major US polio epidemics in the first half ot he 20th Century, some scientists did not agree that a virus was to blame. Doctors who were treating polio victims sometimes blamed the new powerful pesticides, particularly those sprayed repeatedly on crops durin gthe summer months. These were neurotoxins that killed insects by paralysing them. Were they doing the same to humans? These doctors presetned evidence supporting their diagnosis to the US Congress, but they did not win much media or political support. The virology specialisits at that time, and ever since, have firmly dominated our major health institutions, such as the Centers for Disease Research, and persuasively held that epidemics must be caused by infectious agents, either bacteria or viruses.

I long believed the same. It seemed self-evident. In any case, as far as I then could judge, the very fact that polio vaccines now protect us from polio is sufficient proof that polio is caused by a virus.

Still, I would not be a reasonable investigative journalist if I did not read all sides of arguments. I have often found that the vital clues lie in minutia, in details often overlooked. I was intrigued by learning polio was associated with metal working prior to the beginning of the epidemics. Why would a virus linger around metal forges? And what would make it suddenly start to spread so widely? Something must have happened.

When I read the related research, I was surprised to discover how little we know of how the poliovirus causes polio. Professor Akio Nomoto of Tokyo University stated in 1996, "little is known about the mechanisms by which the poliovirus causes paralysis ... it is not known how the virus moves into the blood from the primary multiplication site [the guts], how the virus invades the CNS [Central Nervous System ] ... Humans are simply lucky that the polio vaccines worked." He also noted the only way 'polio can be shown to damage brain cells is to directly inject it across the barrier into monkey brains'.*** This was a very major surprise; if this virus could not naturally get to these cells, how could it cause polio?

But I knew that toxins make their way with relative ease across the blood brain barrier. The scientific papers of toxicology are full of documented cases. For example, The Journal of Immunology reported: "Neurotoxins are known to directly damage or kill neurons, including: lead, mercury."

This made me pause, for both lead and mercury are found in metalworking. If they damaged neurons, could this explain the paralytic illness that once plagued metal workers? Also, lead arsenate was widely introduced as a summer-sprayed pesticide at the end of the 19th century, both in the US and parts of Europe. This was immediately before the polio epidemics started! It was then used intensively for about fifty years.

The same paper went on to say: "Some organophosphate chemicals (including some pesticides) can cause death or loss of a portion [of a nerve cell.]**** Organophosphates were introduced in the States just before the major polio epidemics of 1950-1952.

Could these pesticides then be co-factors, alngside the poliovirus, in causing the dreadful polio epidemics? But before, I went into this, I needed to know how the poliovirus was proved to cause this paralysis...



*See Dr. John H. Lienhard of the University of Houston, author of 'Polio and Clean Water' on the CDC website
** http://www.studentbmj.com/issues/04/11/ ... on/399.php
*** Molecular Mechanism of POliovirus Replication - Control Of Poliomyelitis. Akio Nomoto (Professor, The Institute of Medical Science, The University of Tokyo, Japan) 1996
**** The Journal of Immunology, vol. 140, p. 564



-(c) Janine Roberts, Fear Of The Invisible: How scared should we be of Viruses and Vaccines, HIV and AIDS? - Impact Investigative Media Publications 2008


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11 Sep 2008, 3:31 pm


MMR Vaccine Contaminated by Janine Roberts


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11 Sep 2008, 4:14 pm

Not sure what that was about...?


The book has been read for scientific accuracy by Professor Emeritus Etienne de Harven.


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11 Sep 2008, 4:35 pm

LeKiwi wrote:
Not sure what that was about...?

So, you ignore anything that you feel is beneath your notice?


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The book has been read for scientific accuracy by Professor Emeritus Etienne de Harven.

And that would mean what? That the spelling is mostly correct?

You of course know that oxygen dihydride can kill you, but why are you not continuously warning everyone about those dangers?


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11 Sep 2008, 4:41 pm

lau wrote:
LeKiwi wrote:
Not sure what that was about...?

So, you ignore anything that you feel is beneath your notice?


LeKiwi wrote:
The book has been read for scientific accuracy by Professor Emeritus Etienne de Harven.

And that would mean what? That the spelling is mostly correct?

You of course know that oxygen dihydride can kill you, but why are you not continuously warning everyone about those dangers?



I'm sure there are enough 'learn to swim' classes to satisfy the need. :roll:


And no, I found the link you provided confusing. There were random quotes in random order... got lost trying to work out what you intended by posting it. I'm an aspie; these things happen sometimes as I'm sure you know! (Do feel free to explain).


And it would mean the science in the book is all backed up with references to respected medical journals (BMJ, JAMA, etc), the CDC, and numerous scientists and professors in the field of virology and vaccine manufacture.

Given that there are typos in the book (not in any 'science' words; the innocent kind you make every day) I doubt he checked for spelling.


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11 Sep 2008, 4:45 pm

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You of course know that oxygen dihydride can kill you, but why are you not continuously warning everyone about those dangers?

Coalition to ban DHMO


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11 Sep 2008, 4:48 pm

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lau wrote:
You of course know that oxygen dihydride can kill you, but why are you not continuously warning everyone about those dangers?

Coalition to ban DHMO



Lol, I remember when that was coming around as an email forward... good times. ;)


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18 Sep 2008, 5:27 pm

I think there are many subtypes of what is now refered to as "autism." Same as there were 2 mental disorders: Depression and schizophrenia. Now there are too may to list.

I think autism can be related to a neuro toxin in some people. If a child is exposed to a neuro toxin and becomes 'autistic' as it is now, they are not going to look for the cause. They just look at the behavior and name it.

We are not to the point where we can differentiate the many reasons why this happens. We will one day and very soon. They can now unravel your own DNA for about $1000. If they can do that, they can find where damage is and what caused it. most of us can't afford it.

So, say you have autism and your DNA screen showed no genetic damage- then they might know you were exposed to a toxin. Many toxins can cause these behaviors, not just mercury.

So, those people though having the same behaviors may one day be called something other than autistic. As it is now, we are all under one umbrella based on our behaviors. Poor medicine if you ask me.