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16 Oct 2008, 10:50 am

Prof_Pretorius wrote:

If X is elected, beer will be illegal.

If Y is elected, they will pry your gun from your cold dead fingers.

Precisely.

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16 Oct 2008, 11:28 am

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Despite the fact that Monegan himself admits the Palins did nothing wrong, I for one salute any effort she may have made to get an obviously dangerous employee off the State's payroll.

Monegan and his staff said that it was made clear to them that their budget (for public safety of the state) was reduced as a political move to punish him for not firing Wooten outside of channels. So don't say that Monegan admits that Palin did no wrong; Monegan and his staff made serious charges, and you are trying to spin the picture on irrelevant details.

If there were allegations that there was an erratic, dangerous employee working for the state, by all means, that should be investigated. But the rules should be followed - why should there be a different standard for those that displease the power elite, and those who displease an average citizen??

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16 Oct 2008, 11:41 am

monty wrote:

UncleBeer wrote:

Despite the fact that Monegan himself admits the Palins did nothing wrong, I for one salute any effort she may have made to get an obviously dangerous employee off the State's payroll.

Those are Monegan's own words, guy.

Believe, don't believe. Meh.

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16 Oct 2008, 11:49 am

UncleBeer wrote:

monty wrote:

UncleBeer wrote:

Despite the fact that Monegan himself admits the Palins did nothing wrong, I for one salute any effort she may have made to get an obviously dangerous employee off the State's payroll.

Those are Monegan's own words, guy.

Believe, don't believe. Meh.

Yes, if you read the report, you will find Monegan's own words, and the words of staffers for Monegan. Regardless of whether you accept them or not, they demolish your claim that Monegan said that the Palins did no wrong. Clearly he said exactly the opposite, and clearly you cannot accurately describe what he said. You are a cheap propagandist.

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16 Oct 2008, 11:51 am

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Add that to tacitly, and occasionally, obtusely insult the intelligence of the people debating with you in order to try and discredit them' and I guess that makes you a master debater.

I don't embarrass you when you missspell "misspell". You embarrass you. :lol:

pheonixiis wrote:

(For the record, I don't consider a needle in the haystack google search to be citing your sources. )

27,700 hits weren't enough?

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James Hensley (A.K.A John McCains father-in-law) has a long an convoluted history of consorting with embezzler's, engaging in gambling rackets, and maintaining his own mafia connections.

And will never be president, nor anywhere in the chain of succession. Desperate.

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Granted McCain escaped his association with Keating...

This has been dealt with: exonerated. But by all means, go on tap-dancing. :lol:

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They are all crooks.

But Obama's the only one of the top tickets that wouldn't be able to get even a low-level security clearance if his past were scrutinized. Now he's a candidate for president, thanks entirely to the biases of the mainstream media.

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16 Oct 2008, 11:55 am

monty wrote:

Regardless of whether you accept them or not, they demolish your claim that Monegan said that the Palins did no wrong. Clearly he said exactly the opposite, and clearly you cannot accurately describe what he said.

Monegan wrote:

"For the record, no one ever said fire Wooten. Not the governor. Not Todd. Not any of the other staff," Monegan said Friday from Portland. "What they said directly was more along the lines of 'This isn't a person that we would want to be representing our state troopers.'"

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16 Oct 2008, 12:34 pm

UncleBeer wrote:

Monegan wrote:

"For the record, no one ever said fire Wooten. Not the governor. Not Todd. Not any of the other staff," Monegan said Friday from Portland. "

Again, you are spinning and distorting.

Quote:

Top state police officials urged Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's aides and husband to stop pushing for the firing of her ex-brother-in-law, with one warning it could cause "an extreme amount of discomfort and embarrassment."

That warning from John Glass, Alaska's deputy commissioner of public safety, is included in a state investigator's report that found Palin unlawfully abused her authority to press for the dismissal of Mike Wooten, her sister's ex-husband, from the state trooper force.

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16 Oct 2008, 1:59 pm

Do let us know here across the pond, precisely when America sinks beneath the waves.
(Like Atlantis.)

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16 Oct 2008, 2:46 pm

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Do let us know here across the pond, precisely when America sinks beneath the waves.
(Like Atlantis.)

Will do Prof. I show up in your town with my bags and horses. :wink:

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16 Oct 2008, 5:03 pm

pheonixiis wrote:

Prof_Pretorius wrote:

Do let us know here across the pond, precisely when America sinks beneath the waves.
(Like Atlantis.)

Will do Prof. I show up in your town with my bags and horses. :wink:

I'll get the guest room dusted.

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17 Oct 2008, 9:43 am

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pheonixiis wrote:

James Hensley (A.K.A John McCains father-in-law) has a long an convoluted history of consorting with embezzler's, engaging in gambling rackets, and maintaining his own mafia connections.

And will never be president, nor anywhere in the chain of succession. Desperate.

Neither is/will Tony Rezko, or Bill Ayers. So, what was your point?

You are trying to paint him with a black brush by his past associations. The point of the current tangent of this thread, (I thought) was defamation of character.

Obama is a 'bad man' because he has spent time with radicals, and criminals. McCain is a 'bad man' because his father-in-law is married to the mob, and said father-in-law has plugged a lot of money into sonny-boys political career.

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17 Oct 2008, 10:35 am

pheonixiis wrote:

UncleBeer wrote:

pheonixiis wrote:

James Hensley (A.K.A John McCains father-in-law) has a long an convoluted history of consorting with embezzler's, engaging in gambling rackets, and maintaining his own mafia connections.

And will never be president, nor anywhere in the chain of succession. Desperate.

Neither is/will Tony Rezko, or Bill Ayers.

And according to actuarial tables, neither will Sarah Palin (at least not as a result of McCain dying in office). In view of that fact, I guess this entire "PALIN 'DIASTER" [sic] thread can be expunged. :lol:

Er...what was your point again?

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17 Oct 2008, 10:55 am

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Er...what was your point again?

Mine was that they are all crooks with shady connections. So pontificating on this or that association in an attempt to undermine their ethics is a pretty pointless argument.

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17 Oct 2008, 11:01 am

If there is ever a candidate that will run without smearing his opponent, I will vote for that man even if he's a freakin' commie.

Honestly, the smear campaigns disgust me. The fact that I've seen more Obama smears put up by McCain's campaign is alone causing me to lean towards Obama.

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17 Oct 2008, 11:02 am

Prof_Pretorius wrote:

pheonixiis wrote:

Prof_Pretorius wrote:

Do let us know here across the pond, precisely when America sinks beneath the waves.
(Like Atlantis.)

Will do Prof. I show up in your town with my bags and horses. :wink:

I'll get the guest room dusted.

Thanx!

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17 Oct 2008, 11:06 am

UncleBeer wrote:

Actuarial tables say no such thing - they do not say that McCain will not die in the next 4 years. They say that for a large group of men McCain's age, the probability of dying is around 1 in 6, which is the same as the odds of losing at Russian roulette. Further, any analysis worth doing would have to adjust for individual circumstances (history of melanoma, etc.). And it is obvious that there is an even higher risk that he might become incapacitated from various health problems, again requiring the Vice President to fill in.

McCain's age alone would not be such a big factor if his veep candidate was not such a golem.

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