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07 Oct 2008, 11:03 pm

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I mean really, you'd think every Christian in the world was completely f***ing ret*d or something.

Dont know about ret*d , certainly delusional as demonstrated by the modern interpretations of religion, you can no longer hold the bible to be true so you say ahhh well it doesnt make sense any more but we will ignore that continue to have faith and put the bible to the parable bin. If you must know I was sent to a catholic school were I was taught how truthful the bible is. Science has shown the bible for what it is and I have put it into the bin.

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07 Oct 2008, 11:13 pm

It's really odd. I was raised more or less Catholic and they were generally much more into that whole critical thinking and interpretation thing. Pretty good with science and whatnot. Now those Baptists I knew as a kid on the other hand...

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07 Oct 2008, 11:24 pm

But did you have fully blown nuns as teachers, I mean habits, rosaries and all. Also are you around my age, beliefs have changed dramatically in the last 20 - 30 years, I am sure it was around but you never heard of Intelligent design when I was a kid, it was all fire and brimstone stuff.

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08 Oct 2008, 8:22 am

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For once I tend to agree with you (which makes me wonder if I have got this all wrong

) . I have problems with people saying 'of course genesis is not meant to be taken literally' after we have disproved it. For centuries people were killed for daring to question any part of the bible, it was most definitely viewed as the word of god, to my mind it is all too convenient to now say ahh but we are far more enlightened about science, of course the bible was never meant ot be taken literally. Oh yes it was

Everybody laughs at Palin for being a YEC, Yet only 150 years ago you would have been shocked if she wasn't

LOL. Learn your history before making foolish blanket statements. Start with St. Augustine of Hippo if you want some older examples of CHRISTIANS arguing against literal interpretations of Genesis. Or John Calvin, for something a bit more modern but still predating evolutionary theory.

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08 Oct 2008, 9:59 am

Man's first Mistake :

On the first day, God created the dog and said:

'Sit all day by the door of your house and bark at anyone who comes in or walks past. For this, I will give you a life span of twenty years.'

The dog said: 'That's a long time to be barking. How about only ten years and I'll give you back the other ten?'

So God agreed.

On the second day, God created the monkey and said:

'Entertain people, do tricks, and make them laugh. For this, I'll give you a twenty-year life span.'

The monkey said: 'Monkey tricks for twenty years? That's a pretty long time to perform. How about I give you back ten like the Dog did?'

And God agreed.

On the third day, God created the cow and said:

'You must go into the field with the farmer all day long and suffer under the sun, have calves and give milk to support the farmer's family. For this, I will give you a life span of sixty years.'

The cow said: 'That's kind of a tough life you want me to live for sixty years. How about twenty and I'll give back the other forty?'

And God agreed again

On the fourth day, God created man and said:

'Eat, sleep, play, marry and enjoy your life. For this, I'll give you twenty years.'

But man said: 'Only twenty years? Could you possibly give me my twenty, the forty the cow gave back, the ten the monkey gave back, and the ten the dog gave back; that makes eighty, okay?'

'Okay,' said God, 'You asked for it.'

So that is why for our first twenty years we eat, sleep, play and enjoy ourselves. For the next forty years we slave in the sun to support our family. For the next ten years we do monkey tricks to entertain the grandchildren. And for the last ten years we sit on the front porch and bark at everyone.

Life has now been explained to you.

There is no need to thank me for this valuable information. I'm doing it as a public service.

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08 Oct 2008, 10:07 am

chever wrote:

LOL

I can hardly believe you're really octogenarian to have said something like that

He isn't. He's 16.

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08 Oct 2008, 10:46 am

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DentArthurDent wrote:

For once I tend to agree with you (which makes me wonder if I have got this all wrong

I had figured that explicit examples of interpreting the bible non-literally went a ways back but could not think of any particulars.

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09 Oct 2008, 3:36 pm

OK "HANDS UP IN SURRENDER"

I have done a bit of research and yes you are right and I am very misguided

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What, then, is the position of the majority of religious Americans about "creation"? Anglicans, Catholics, most Protestant Christians, and Conservative and Reformed Jews believe that God is the Creator, but that he works through the process of evolution, as revealed through modern science. This position is known as theistic evolutionism, and is widespread among modern theologians. It is a little-known fact that Methodists, Presbyterians, Lutherans, the United Church of Christ and many other denominations do not believe that Creation occurred literally as described in Genesis. In fact, the majority of Christian seminaries do not teach a Biblical literalist creation. In the United States and Canada, one tends to find Biblical literalist beliefs being promoted most strongly in small, independent denominations, where it is not uncommon for the leader to have little or no formal theological training.

Americans need to know that there is no necessary conflict between religion and acceptance of evolution as a scientific idea. Although there is of necessity a conflict between Biblical literalist views of creation and modern science, these views are not held by the majority of Christians.

From this brief history, it is clear that there has been a struggle within theology to accommodate the discoveries of science regarding creation and evolution. This history also shows that accommodation of evolution, rather than rejection, has been more the norm. Religious people who struggle with the creation/evolution controversy need to understand that accepting evolution as science is not antithetical to a religious view.

Sorry

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09 Oct 2008, 3:37 pm

^ on a positive note I am once again in disagreement with SW phew

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