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20 Apr 2011, 11:03 am

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What proof is there that [G]od exists?


What proof would you accept if it were presented? Would you require the same proof for everything else or just God?



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20 Apr 2011, 11:11 am

The Bible says that God exists.

The Bible is the irrefutable word of God.

Ergo, God exists.



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20 Apr 2011, 11:31 am

pandabear wrote:
The Bible says that God exists.

The Bible is the irrefutable word of God.

Ergo, God exists.


Silly-logism topic

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20 Apr 2011, 4:50 pm

pandabear wrote:
The Bible says that God exists.

The Bible is the irrefutable word of God.

Ergo, God exists.


Are you familiar with the fallacy of Begging the Question?

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20 Apr 2011, 4:52 pm

ruveyn wrote:
pandabear wrote:
The Bible says that God exists.

The Bible is the irrefutable word of God.

Ergo, God exists.


Are you familiar with the fallacy of Begging the Question?

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God is beyond logic.



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20 Apr 2011, 4:53 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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What proof is there that [G]od exists?


What proof would you accept if it were presented? Would you require the same proof for everything else or just God?
So, you are already accepting that none of the available god proofs is really acceptable by normal standards. Ok.

For the christian God to exists, then we should be able to heal an amputee by organizing a nation-wide praying session. Just put the amputee under lab conditions, organize all Christian groups so that they pray for the amputee to be healed and then, if all of the bible is true, he should be healed.


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20 Apr 2011, 4:54 pm

blunnet wrote:
ruveyn wrote:
pandabear wrote:
The Bible says that God exists.

The Bible is the irrefutable word of God.

Ergo, God exists.


Are you familiar with the fallacy of Begging the Question?

ruveyn

God is beyond logic.


Nothing is beyond logic. Does that mean God is nothing?

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20 Apr 2011, 4:55 pm

It means he is beyond.


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20 Apr 2011, 6:11 pm

pandabear wrote:
The Bible says that God exists.

The Bible is the irrefutable word of God.

Ergo, God exists.

Sounds kind of like the "reasoning" behind the Bull of Papal Infallibility. (Hey, I'm not making fun - yet; that's the technical term for an official papal pronouncement.)

The Pope is infallible in matters of faith and morals.

And how do we know this to be true?

Because it was announced by the Pope, who is infallible in matters of faith and morals...


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20 Apr 2011, 6:32 pm

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20 Apr 2011, 9:53 pm

pandabear wrote:
The Bible says that God exists.

The Bible is only a collection of largely apocryphal stories, written by men who were racist, sexist, and generally ignorant of real-world principles like causality, relativity, fallacies of reason, and conservation of matter and energy. They could not even get the correct value for Pi.
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The Bible is the irrefutable word of God.

Evidence, Please? Who says so? When and where did they say so? What evidence do they (or you) provide to back up their claim?
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Ergo, God exists.

This is a prime example of the Non Sequitur fallacy, applied to the False Authority fallacy, and likely relying on the fallacy of Circular Reasoning.


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20 Apr 2011, 10:17 pm

pandabear was being sarcastic.


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21 Apr 2011, 3:27 am

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I don't believe in god. I like the idea of god but I simply don't believe god exists.

Is there any evidence that god exists?


Little or None.

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21 Apr 2011, 5:05 am

Fnord wrote:
pandabear wrote:
The Bible is the irrefutable word of God.

Evidence, Please? Who says so? When and where did they say so? What evidence do they (or you) provide to back up their claim?

The PPR forum?



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21 Apr 2011, 5:37 am

Vexcalibur wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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What proof is there that [G]od exists?


What proof would you accept if it were presented? Would you require the same proof for everything else or just God?
So, you are already accepting that none of the available god proofs is really acceptable by normal standards. Ok.

For the christian God to exists, then we should be able to heal an amputee by organizing a nation-wide praying session. Just put the amputee under lab conditions, organize all Christian groups so that they pray for the amputee to be healed and then, if all of the bible is true, he should be healed.


Unless he was a sinner, like those evil cancer kids who die all the time. They must've done something real bad.


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21 Apr 2011, 6:01 am

Vexcalibur wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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What proof is there that [G]od exists?


What proof would you accept if it were presented? Would you require the same proof for everything else or just God?
So, you are already accepting that none of the available god proofs is really acceptable by normal standards. Ok.

For the christian God to exists, then we should be able to heal an amputee by organizing a nation-wide praying session. Just put the amputee under lab conditions, organize all Christian groups so that they pray for the amputee to be healed and then, if all of the bible is true, he should be healed.

Christian doctrine, from what I know of, would say that the healing would come out of pure faith, not from testing an idea or hypothesis, and given that doubt is a basic element when doing an experiment of an empirical nature, from that perspective, it wouldn't work. Now of course, the explanation isn't much of a satisfactory answer.

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What proof would you accept if it were presented? Would you require the same proof for everything else or just God?

Empirical evidence, but you know you can't provide any, thus you must discard it as a way to demonstrate your belief.