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23 Dec 2008, 7:21 pm

Sadly that's completely true KingdomOfRats.

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what adult would actually choose to denie progress in someone and see that as faking,rather than celebrate it?


And that attitude is what disturbs me again and again. It's 'almost' as if they would rather prove a point than see their child progress, or attempt to take steps to increase the potential of progression. It's strange and I cannot believe that truly to be the case for the majority but it certainly seems that way somtimes. I don't know, perhaps to some of them progress is an ideal of a perfect child rather than an individual's ability to overcome or even in some cases benefit from an ASD, and so in the latter's case they'd rather not know about it? :(



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23 Dec 2008, 7:54 pm

oh dear. sorry you have to go.
have a nice christmas and new year :D



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23 Dec 2008, 7:57 pm

There are many people in this world who refuse to be wrong. Through their ignorance they shall conquer what they deem as incorrect. It is hard to battle ignorance without harming the individual personally to achieve victory. We still work with incorrect theories of the world, and continue to stunt our own growth because many people battle to keep what has been proven wrong.

If you do not match up to somebody's schema, than that somebody just might assume you're not part of the schema at all. It would be like this: that person comes across an apple. The apple is red. He knows red apples for 20 years of his life. Suddenly, a green apple appears. Even though it shares many traits with the red apple, it looks different, and tastes a bit different. Therefore, this person does not think it's an apple.

I had randomly messaged one day somebody I knew about, who didn't know me. I was obscure, and trying to be obnoxious on purpose. I even made a jab as Asperger's Syndrome with, "Maybe I have Asperger's Syndrome and don't know how to start a conversation." He then tried saying that is impossible, because somebody with Asperger's Syndrome, according to him, would not have messaged him in the first place due to wanting to avoid people and being social. See, this person would rather work with what he knows about something, and assume anything else is wrong. He wont adjust his schema, as he should. He'd rather think he's right. It would be pointless to tell him that I do, in fact, have Asperger's Syndrome to try and prove him wrong, because at that point he already had shown his disbelief simply because I messaged him.

These kinds of people are the kinds of people who cause a lot of problems in the world. Their reluctance to accept mistake, and their "obsessive" interest (with unusual focus) in wishing to remain ignorant is a powerful force! The only morally acceptable way to win the battle is simply: persistent education.

All in all, don't let those kinds of people get to you. If they tell you that you're wrong, do some research again, confirm that you're right, and ignore them. It is your opinion that you find for yourself that matters.



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24 Dec 2008, 1:20 am

Wrong Panet should bre the last place to find discrimnition, come back after the holidays :)
If he carries on then we will all harrass his ass 8)
Beautiful picture by the way :)

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24 Dec 2008, 1:26 am

That's horrible that someone would say you were faking it. There's no way that thought would ever cross my mind.
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24 Dec 2008, 6:39 am

jmfoster wrote:
Wrong Panet should bre the last place to find discrimnition, come back after the holidays :)
If he carries on then we will all harrass his ass 8)
Beautiful picture by the way :)

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:lol: :thumleft: Agreed! Count me in!


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24 Dec 2008, 10:01 am

It is interesting that KingdomOfRats pointed out that.

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why do they constantly show their hate towards wrong planet and assume the place is just a breeding ground for hf anti cure extremists,'who dont know what autism is'? ,and assume everyone here goes to AS to troll or preach? they ignore the fact that there are users who experience autism differently here- lfa/severe,hf-lf mod aut,and pddnos,and only a few have gone to troll/preach to them-most of the community told them off for it.


My best advice to Autism Speaks if they are trying to raise up a vengeful mob of anti-cure HFAs and Aspies is to carry on the same way as they are right now. By allowing people on their forum to denigate people with autism (Classic, Aspergers or some other type) they will create a vast 30 foot high wall with barbed wire on the top between Autism Speaks and us rather than trying to build a bridge.

I hold the view that the first thing which Autism Speaks should do is to learn to co exist in a better way with the adults who have autism and related conditions.

I say that it is better in life to build bridges rather than barriers.


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24 Dec 2008, 11:21 am

Age, I read what "Pegasus" wrote on the autistic living forum. She is absolutely ridiculous. I almost can't believe someone would take so much time out of their day to degrade and pick apart another person. (I say almost because unfortunately these people run rampant all over in internet.) I'm going to post on that forum, but I doubt it will change anything in her mind. People like that have a habit of taking all information and changing it to fit their position. Probably the best thing to do it ignore that person. Just don't reply anymore. No one should have to defend themselves in the way she is making you do. Intelligent people know that you cannot diagnose (or undiagnose) someone on the internet. You can't even diagnose someone in real life unless you are a specialist and have spend lots of time with the person. Instead of thinking about what you could have said or done to ellicit such responses from pegasus, think about what may have motivated pegasus, in her own life, to make such dreadful comments. I'm not saying make and excuse for her, but think about her life. She probably has a child labeled "classic" or low-functioning. She probably has absolutely no hope for this child. While some parents find hope in many places, some, like pegasus, will react in a different way. When pegasus encounters an autistic adult with any ability to do anything, any independence at all, she finds it more comfortable to believe this person is not autistic, is not like her child. Basically, she has given up hope on her child and cannot stand any hope thrown at her. This is very sad for autistic children who have parents like this. If your parent doesn't believe in you, who will? Certainly not the child himself. No wonder parents aren't seeing improvement. They don't want to see it, and they are preventing it. Of course, this is just my hypothesis. I can't know who pegasus is through the internet any more than she can know who age is through the internet. My "theory of mind" insights come from my extensive study of sociology, psychology, and cultural anthropology, as well as encountering many members of both the autistic and autism communities in real life and on-line.

Pegasus also has a very skewed sense of Neurodiversity. She seems to think we believe autism is all special happiness and no struggle, and that we oppose to all or most treatment! If that is the message we are putting out, we are doing something wrong. I sincerely hope that pegasus is in the ignorant minority.



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24 Dec 2008, 11:30 am

Age less? topic

Strange. Why would you, Age1600, want to leave WP if you were being trolled on another forum? :?

You are neurotypical? That is a stretch. :P :roll:


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24 Dec 2008, 2:16 pm

=(

ooohprettycolors is right on the ball here...it's sad, but there's not much you can do but just ignore it. Funny...becoming ignorant of ignorance?


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24 Dec 2008, 3:32 pm

What should a person in a leadership role which includes being a parent do ? This is a great and difficult question but one of the tings which needs to be done is to inspire the others (which includes kids).

If you look at modern thought on training and how to manage extream stress in others is to give the people true hope for the future. One of the methods of doing this is to hold up examples of people who have managed to make the thing work and the talk in a positve way about the future, about how the person under stress will be able to pass through the time of stress, get the task done and then be a success.

I know that this works on NTs, I have used it a few times on people I needed to supervise or coach. I do not know how well it will work on non-NTs but I suspect that it will still work.

Perhapes the parent of the child with autism needs to change their outlook if they will have a decent chance of being able to inspire their child. If you want good examples of people with HFA or AS to hold up to inspire younger people with autism, then WP is a good place to start. For instance we have at least one PhD student with autism here, I think that to be a PhD student then you need to be ding well.

But after the way that autism speaks have behaved, I suspect that hell will freeze over before many of the people here will ever help autism speaks by appearing in promotional matter for them. I would like to know how autism speaks views the adult with autism or AS who chooses to live their own life and make something of themselves.


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24 Dec 2008, 4:11 pm

Age1600, I was always curious what it would be like to meet you because you remind(physically) me of a lady that I know who is an aspie. Thus I never doubted that you are on the spectrum. With you it seems perfectly natural. Plus, your positive and funny outlook on life are appreciated.

Happy Happy holidays, and hope to see you back soon!


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24 Dec 2008, 9:45 pm

For what it's worth Age1600, I like reading your posts and hope you will be back soon.


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25 Dec 2008, 1:33 am

sartresue wrote:
Strange. Why would you, Age1600, want to leave WP if you were being trolled on another forum? :?


It probably takes so much effort for her to actually post at all, and then having someone hound her, will just add to the difficulty; it's not this forum, but what that individual did took away her ability to post anywhere.

I'm assuming here, but this is how it goes with me.



25 Dec 2008, 1:43 am

But why would she leave this forum over something that happened a year ago? :?