Other religions aware of Judeo-Christian deity?

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13 Jan 2009, 11:43 am

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The thing is, I don't find that funny. It's offensive to me and I think you might have a clue as to why.

And you have the right to not be offended? And aside from that I posted the image for humor not to offend people who are insecure about their beliefs.


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13 Jan 2009, 11:49 am

z0rp wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
The thing is, I don't find that funny. It's offensive to me and I think you might have a clue as to why.

And you have the right to not be offended? And aside from that I posted the image for humor not to offend people who are insecure about their beliefs.


z0rp's got you there slowmutant, why are you so insecure about your own beliefs?
My catholic husband would crack up at that picture.

So what is it when you die and come back from the dead slowmutant? Please educate us.


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13 Jan 2009, 8:59 pm

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Jehova's Witnesses (if I'm not mistaken) and Avdentists believe that when you die, you are done, no spirit, no ghost wondering around and hunting houses, not going to heaven or hell either, the belief is that they don't go anywhere. I learned when I used to go to church that the dead are "sleeping" until the second comming, which then, the dead will "wake up" to be judged. As I don't know anything about jewish dogma, I can't say what are their take about death and the afterlife.


Really? Does that belief apply to Jesus too? I thought he went to heaven after he came back from the dead.


I believe that so-called "soul sleep" is incorrect doctrine. For instance, notice that Jesus told the repentant thief on the cross next to him: "This day you will be with me in paradise." Not at the end of the world.


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13 Jan 2009, 9:11 pm

Chibi_Neko wrote:
z0rp wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
The thing is, I don't find that funny. It's offensive to me and I think you might have a clue as to why.

And you have the right to not be offended? And aside from that I posted the image for humor not to offend people who are insecure about their beliefs.


z0rp's got you there slowmutant, why are you so insecure about your own beliefs?
My catholic husband would crack up at that picture.


Well, actually, both reactions are appropriate for those who are secure in Christianity. Depending on the individual's personality, and various circumstantial factors, a mature Christian would either take outwardly-angry offense, or laugh out loud dismissively at the sheer ridiculousness of the image, and more at the feebleness of its creator's attempt to make some kind of religious point through a deliberate misinterpretation of the Resurrection of Christ. I remember a while back, some people (now banned) posted naked toons of Jesus on WP in attempt to make me angry. Well, I just silently dismissed them for the fools they were, and didn't waste any more time on criticizing their blasphemy. Their blasphemy isn't my problem, it's theirs.

Also, take any serious fact, tweak something about it just a little, and it can become completely ridiculous. So, one's ability to do that with Christianity proves absolutely nothing. The parody remains just that, and one can build strawmen arguments all day long -- the fact being parodied remains as it always was: true.


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13 Jan 2009, 9:18 pm

z0rp wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
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have a litt le humor


I'll remember that.

In the mean-time, you can keep insulting me and my beliefs.

When were we insulting you? We were just discussing how if someone rose from the dead, they can qualify to be identified as a zombie. That's all.

Hmmm, let's see,

From answers.com:

A soulless body. In the Voodoo cult of Haiti, a zombi is the slave of a magician. The soul may have been removed by magic from a living person, or the body of someone recently deceased may have been brought up out of the grave after the soul had been separated from it by regular rites of death. As the lord of the dead, Ghede has the power to animate corpses as zombis.

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- A supernatural power or spell that according to voodoo belief can enter into and reanimate a corpse.
- A corpse revived in this way.

One who looks or behaves like an automaton.

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The word zombie refers to the ‘living dead’.

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Sources indicate that the word is of African origin. The cadaver or spirit of a deceased person is called zumbi in the Bonda language, ndzumbi in Gabon, and nzambi in Kongo.

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Someone who acts or responds in a mechanical or apathetic way (hmmm, some might say that's an aspie)


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13 Jan 2009, 10:13 pm

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I believe that so-called "soul sleep" is incorrect doctrine. For instance, notice that Jesus told the repentant thief on the cross next to him: "This day you will be with me in paradise." Not at the end of the world.

well, it depends on the denomination and their views about it, as for catholics, they take the dualist approach when it comes to the "soul", as for this particular view, it seems to fit well with nondualism.

I think the thief on the cross thing, might be taken as evidence, according to the belief, that when a person dies, inmediately or in the same day goes to heaven, I suppose hell as well for the infidels, but not sure about that. There are other verses however, that are used to support the 'soul sleep' belief, such as Ecclesiastes 9:5,6 ("the dead know nothing....") and John 11:11: ("Our friend Lazarus has fallen asleep; but I am going there to wake him up.")

http://www.ude.net/bible/Spirits%20at%20Rest.html

Another issue is about what Jesus told him, which it is said to be a misinterpretation of the translation or a misinterpretation of what Jesus meant.

http://www.ude.net/bible/SR_Luke23.htm

Not sure but I think the 'soul sleep' belief might be held by jewish as well, if that's the case, it would seem to be a judeo-christian view about the afterlife as well, which would differ from many christians today.

Interesting to note in the Lazarus story is that the story itself seems to support this belief, he was dead for four days, by that time he would be in heaven, if so, why Jesus would took him away from paradise to return to earth?


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Khan_Sama wrote:
As a Baha'i, I believe that Heaven is closeness to God, and that Hell is distance from his mercy.

Peace.

As a Catholic Christian, I believe the same thing! The only people in hell are those who obstinately reject God's compassion and forgiveness. Yes, almost everybody has some purification to go through, but as long as you show a flicker of good will, your punishment will not be eternal.