11 points about Israel,Lebanon and Palestinians
WTF?
Israel are aerial bombing civilian areas with white phosphorus. That isnt even legal!
Wow, I've never heard that, and I follow Israeli events daily. Evidence? Seeing as how Israel doesn't want to kill unarmed Palestinians (there is endless proof of the Israeli will to spare all innocent life), I wonder what you are talking about, and what your news sources are. Did they leave any suds on your brain when they were done?
Sources:
United Nations relief team
Amnesty International
Human rights watch
Do you actually not know that the UN is blatantly, steadily anti-Israel? As are the other two groups.
Indeed, the UN ,Amnesty International and the Human rights watch are all jealous and racist anti-Israel bastards , Israel is the only nation of purity. God bless Israel!
Riiight
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But your philosophy doesn't allow for the possibility of the existence of plain old illogical hatred (something which is well-evidenced when viewing Muslim extremists), in which case you're really missing the big picture. Your looking for simple cause and effect, when the fact is these people simply hate Jews.
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Riiight
You are jesting?
ruveyn
No, I am mocking on him and you.
Psych's source wasn't the internet Ragtime, it was the 3 respected organisations whose testimony you refuse to acknowledge. But regardless of that, the Israeli army has admitted using it:
guardian
It's hard to believe you that you have been following these events daily & hadn't heard of the use of white phosphorus before reading this thread. What is your source for information about this war? Joe the Plumber's reports in his new role as war correspondent?
guardian
It's hard to believe you that you have been following these events daily & hadn't heard of the use of white phosphorus before reading this thread. What is your source for information about this war? Joe the Plumber's reports in his new role as war correspondent?
That Allies used white phosphorus and other incendiary materials in the course of WW2. So what is the problem? We burned Japanese cities to the ground with incendiary ordinance and we set off three major fire storms in Germany (Dresden was the father of fire storms). This all falls under the heading of fighting a war. In a war, the idea is to kill your enemies and bust up their s**t.
ruveyn
Stats anyone?
It's a grisly supply-and-demand situation. Saddam used to pay poor families thousands of dollars per child suicide-bomber they raised and sent off. No doubt that still goes on in some form wherever children are recruited for violence.
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Looks like it was used:
In response, the IDF said Tuesday that it "wishes to reiterate that it uses weapons in compliance with international law, while strictly observing that they be used in accordance with the type of combat and its characteristics."
Herby said that using phosphorus to illuminate a target or create smoke is legitimate under international law, and that there was no evidence the Jewish state was intentionally using phosphorus in a questionable way, such as burning down buildings or knowingly putting civilians at risk.
Full article:
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1231866575577&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull
So, that's settled. What's the significance of it though?
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Christianity is different than Judaism only in people's minds -- not in the Bible.
Because the use of white phosphorus near civilian areas is against international law, & this specific use of it might amount to a war crime.
Because even if everyone on this thread agreed with you that Israel was justified in its actions, & that the blame for any civilian deaths rested with Hamas because they chose to live in a civilian area, Israel still would not be justified in using phosphorus, which ignites upon contact with air & indiscriminately burns everything around it.
Because even if everyone on this thread agreed with you that Israel was justified in its actions, & that the blame for any civilian deaths rested with Hamas because they chose to live in a civilian area, Israel still would not be justified in using phosphorus, which ignites upon contact with air & indiscriminately burns everything around it.
Some war crime. It is how we won WW2.
The only War Crime is loosing the War. You will notice that it is people from the winning side who condemn people from the loosing side for war crimes.
ruveyn
The only War Crime is loosing the War. You will notice that it is people from the winning side who condemn people from the loosing side for war crimes.
ruveyn
No, loosing the war isn't the only war crime. I take it you're not an expert on international law. Are you really saying that in war anything that hastens your side's victory is morally justified?
The only War Crime is loosing the War. You will notice that it is people from the winning side who condemn people from the loosing side for war crimes.
ruveyn
No, loosing the war isn't the only war crime. I take it you're not an expert on international law. Are you really saying that in war anything that hastens your side's victory is morally justified?
International Law is bogus. There is no government to enforce it. It is not the result of legislation nor is it the decisions of a court that is universally recognized.
At best it is a custom and a protocol to be adhered to or violated according to the needs of nations.
ruveyn
At this point, would you care to admit that "civilian areas" is an outmoded and completely-undefineable term when dealing with terrorists who commandeer civilian homes (with the civilians still inside) and use them to fire ammunition from? And when, often enough, the terrorists are more or less given permission by the "innocent civilians" to do just that? There are no terrorists outside of "civilian areas", since the term "terrorist" loses all meaning as soon as they leave civilian areas and move onto a battlefield. When they do that, they are then "soldiers", instead of cowards who hide behind women and children, or their preferred term, "human shields". But they won't step onto a battlefield (i.e. away from civilians), because they're despicable cowards. So, they shoot from other peoples' homes, deliberately making it both very difficult and extremely unpopular for Israel to respond in any effective way to such weapons fire.
I hope you become a general one day, and show the world how to fight an absolutely perfect war, where no one innocent ever dies.
You ask the impossible -- clean combat against terrorists ingrained as deeply as possible within civilian areas -- as if it is an actual option.
How would you handle the Gaza civilian-dwelling terrorists, hot shot? Yeah, I thought so. No one else knows either. So, give Israel a break while they try and find the best options to defend themselves from these constant, daily rocket attacks into their civilian territory. Which is actual civilian territory, with 100% unarmed non-combatant citizens, just trying to survive on their own property. Israeli soldiers don't fight from civilians' homes because, unlike the Gazan terrorists, Israeli soldiers actually want civilians to survive, whereas the terrorists don't give a hoot who lives or dies, on their side or Israel's, as long as "jihad" is being done. They are scum, and they need to be killed for Israel's AND the Palestinians' sakes!
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