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Does it matter if God exists?
Yes 26%  26%  [ 7 ]
No 41%  41%  [ 11 ]
Maybe 22%  22%  [ 6 ]
Sometimes 11%  11%  [ 3 ]
Something I forgot to but on the poll 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
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13 Feb 2009, 4:59 pm

There are many discussions of this forum on the question of does God exist. The question I would like to address is why, does it matter; would you do anything differently if you changed your opinion?

I would like answers to focus on action rather than emotion and focus on your own rather than how it affects other peoples action and how that affects your life, society or themselves; but that's too much to hope for, isn't it?
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13 Feb 2009, 5:22 pm

In terms of action then no. I already try to act kindly towards people (when I remember). If God did exist then I could do no more. If God existed then presumably he made me the way I am and should accept that. And if God existed but was unreasonable in his expectations of my behaviour, then I would defy him - I'm not going to suck up to someone just because of their power (and in his omniescence he would know this anyway).

In terms of feelings though it would be quite different - to be sure of life after death and some type of judgement. Don't know if this would be good or bad. I think a lot of the time I would feel resentment or anger against him. Sometimes it might make me ecstatically happy though. As I start to get a bit weary of life though there is some relief in knowing that after I die I won't exist any more. Eternal existence must be exhausting.



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13 Feb 2009, 6:46 pm

I think if the existence of God were proven to me, then it might matter...but then again, that would depend on which God.



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13 Feb 2009, 7:50 pm

It doesn't matter whether or not there is a God. What matters is that people just find some sort of inner peace and tolerance of others.


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13 Feb 2009, 10:08 pm

It would matter if current events could be attributed to God confronting natural laws and acting counter to them. There is no acceptable evidence of this.



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14 Feb 2009, 12:00 am

Um... if God exists then obviously it matters, because we want to find out how to gain God's favor. If God does not exist, then it still matters because religious belief does have measurable impacts on people's lives. Plus, a search for truth for truth's sake is common enough that yes, it would still matter.


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14 Feb 2009, 12:20 am

Orwell wrote:
Um... if God exists then obviously it matters, because we want to find out how to gain God's favor.

Yes, all things considered it probably isn't a good idea to go around killing homeless people when faced with the prospect of eternal damnation no matter how little feeling you have for your fellow man.


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14 Feb 2009, 12:23 am

twoshots wrote:
Yes, all things considered it probably isn't a good idea to go around killing homeless people when faced with the prospect of eternal damnation no matter how little feeling you have for your fellow man.

My god is in favor of killing the homeless.



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14 Feb 2009, 12:26 am

Awesomelyglorious wrote:
twoshots wrote:
Yes, all things considered it probably isn't a good idea to go around killing homeless people when faced with the prospect of eternal damnation no matter how little feeling you have for your fellow man.

My god is in favor of killing the homeless.


Well then, lets figure out a way to kill your god. Considering all the idiotic discussions in the area that one might be fun.



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14 Feb 2009, 12:28 am

Sand wrote:
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
twoshots wrote:
Yes, all things considered it probably isn't a good idea to go around killing homeless people when faced with the prospect of eternal damnation no matter how little feeling you have for your fellow man.

My god is in favor of killing the homeless.


Well then, lets figure out a way to kill your god. Considering all the idiotic discussions in the area that one might be fun.

God is already dead, God remains dead, and we have killed him, so presumable we just need to do whatever we did there once more.


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14 Feb 2009, 12:33 am

twoshots wrote:
Sand wrote:
Awesomelyglorious wrote:
twoshots wrote:
Yes, all things considered it probably isn't a good idea to go around killing homeless people when faced with the prospect of eternal damnation no matter how little feeling you have for your fellow man.

My god is in favor of killing the homeless.


Well then, lets figure out a way to kill your god. Considering all the idiotic discussions in the area that one might be fun.

God is already dead, God remains dead, and we have killed him, so presumable we just need to do whatever we did there once more.


Recently a couple of homeless have been beaten to death on Long Island NYC so evidently god does still exert some power.



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14 Feb 2009, 12:36 am

If there were supernaturally powerful immortal beings in the universe, then unless said beings are the sort to simply sit around doing nothing all eternity, then of course it would matter. Such beings could easily do a lot of damage, or they could be very helpful, depending on whether they are hostile or friendly. As a result, if it could be proven that gods do exist, then it would of course be prudent to find out as much about them as possible; their intentions, powers, nature and relationships between each other. That way, if the gods we encounter are friendly, we'd be in a much better position to persuade them to help us, and if they are hostile, being able to determine their weaknesses and enemies would at least give us some tiny chance of being able to fight back against them.



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14 Feb 2009, 12:40 am

Arcanyn wrote:
If there were supernaturally powerful immortal beings in the universe, then unless said beings are the sort to simply sit around doing nothing all eternity, then of course it would matter. Such beings could easily do a lot of damage, or they could be very helpful, depending on whether they are hostile or friendly. As a result, if it could be proven that gods do exist, then it would of course be prudent to find out as much about them as possible; their intentions, powers, nature and relationships between each other. That way, if the gods we encounter are friendly, we'd be in a much better position to persuade them to help us, and if they are hostile, being able to determine their weaknesses and enemies would at least give us some tiny chance of being able to fight back against them.


If there were such beings, we would be in the position ants or grasshoppers have to humans. Can you imagine the arguments a grasshopper might have to convince a human of anything?



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14 Feb 2009, 1:25 am

Not necessarily. Gods are defined primarily by their power; it is not inconceivable that there might exist beings who are very powerful but of comparable or even lesser intelligence to us - for instance, most of the gods that have been worshipped throughout history, while powerful, have desires and motivations which are fairly banal and petty, and very easy for us humans to comprehend. Of course, if the only gods in the universe are alien beings who started off mortal, and aquired their power by figuring out enough about how the universe works to do all sorts of cool tricks like altering fundamental constants etc, then there is no way that such beings could exist without being vastly superior to us. But if we're talking about gods who simply started out as gods, who have had their powers as long as they have existed, then they need not be terribly bright at all - it would be like giving a toddler control of the world's nuclear weapons. Such a kid would possess incredible power, but the vast majority of people would possess superior intellect and reasoning ability.



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14 Feb 2009, 1:42 am

Arcanyn wrote:
Not necessarily. Gods are defined primarily by their power; it is not inconceivable that there might exist beings who are very powerful but of comparable or even lesser intelligence to us - for instance, most of the gods that have been worshipped throughout history, while powerful, have desires and motivations which are fairly banal and petty, and very easy for us humans to comprehend. Of course, if the only gods in the universe are alien beings who started off mortal, and aquired their power by figuring out enough about how the universe works to do all sorts of cool tricks like altering fundamental constants etc, then there is no way that such beings could exist without being vastly superior to us. But if we're talking about gods who simply started out as gods, who have had their powers as long as they have existed, then they need not be terribly bright at all - it would be like giving a toddler control of the world's nuclear weapons. Such a kid would possess incredible power, but the vast majority of people would possess superior intellect and reasoning ability.


I have tried to reason with humans on the web with highly limited understanding and negligible reasoning ability to no success whatsoever. To attempt this with a being of supernatural powers is something I would severely avoid merely to protect my existence.