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18 Feb 2009, 12:23 pm

http://www.kxmc.com/getArticle.asp?ArticleId=333726

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The House voted 51-41 this afternoon to declare that a fertilized egg has all the rights of any person.

That means a fetus could not be legally aborted without the procedure being considered murder.


a fertilized egg should *NOT* have the same rights as a person. because it isn't a person! it's an egg!! This is terrible!



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18 Feb 2009, 12:27 pm

holy crap.



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18 Feb 2009, 1:32 pm

Oh, they'll go to the Supreme Court, challenge Row vs Wade and they'll lose. It's only a matter of time.



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18 Feb 2009, 2:31 pm

ShadesOfMe wrote:
http://www.kxmc.com/getArticle.asp?ArticleId=333726

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The House voted 51-41 this afternoon to declare that a fertilized egg has all the rights of any person.

That means a fetus could not be legally aborted without the procedure being considered murder.


a fertilized egg should *NOT* have the same rights as a person. because it isn't a person! it's an egg!! This is terrible!


It is a denial of a woman's right of self defense. Without provisions for aborting to save the life of the woman or in case of rape it will go down in flames in court.

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18 Feb 2009, 3:42 pm

Why are people so afraid of adoption? Ive had a couple friends who were almost abortions due to rape cases.


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18 Feb 2009, 3:59 pm

They tried to get a similar ballot initiative passed in Colorado. It failed and one of the arguments was that it made other laws too complicated. Laws like carpool lanes. If the fertilized egg has the rights of any person, then it would count as an occupant in carpool lanes.



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18 Feb 2009, 4:33 pm

ShadesOfMe wrote:
a fertilized egg should *NOT* have the same rights as a person. because it isn't a person! it's an egg!! This is terrible!


Seriously.



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18 Feb 2009, 10:04 pm

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Why are people so afraid of adoption? Ive had a couple friends who were almost abortions due to rape cases.


Some people don't agree with the whole philosophy of abortion. WE are horrified when women reduce it to just another form of cosmetic surgery or a pedicure. The trivialization of infanticide with this whole Sex In the City attitude is absolutely intolerable.



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18 Feb 2009, 10:06 pm

Rape is seen as worse than abortion. Why?

Why is rape more unspeakable than infanticide?



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18 Feb 2009, 11:28 pm

It still has to go to North Dakota Senate.


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19 Feb 2009, 8:07 am

A woman's reproductive freedom takes precedent over everything else?



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19 Feb 2009, 10:25 am

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A woman's reproductive freedom takes precedent over everything else?
Absolutely. If, for example, a woman found out that there is a high likely hood of the fetus growing up having to suffer from the effects of Downs Syndrome or Autism then she might feel that the right thing to do is terminate the pregnancy so she wouldn't be responsible for bringing more suffering into the world.



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19 Feb 2009, 12:30 pm

velodog wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
A woman's reproductive freedom takes precedent over everything else?
Absolutely. If, for example, a woman found out that there is a high likely hood of the fetus growing up having to suffer from the effects of Downs Syndrome or Autism then she might feel that the right thing to do is terminate the pregnancy so she wouldn't be responsible for bringing more suffering into the world.


What a convenient guilt-free pretext for abortion Down Syndrome is ...



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19 Feb 2009, 2:27 pm

slowmutant wrote:
kalantir wrote:
Why are people so afraid of adoption? Ive had a couple friends who were almost abortions due to rape cases.


Some people don't agree with the whole philosophy of abortion. WE are horrified when women reduce it to just another form of cosmetic surgery or a pedicure. The trivialization of infanticide with this whole Sex In the City attitude is absolutely intolerable.


Those women who consider intolerable should not have abortions. They should also not force their views by way of laws on others. If Woman A and Woman B are pregnant and Woman A has an abortion, which does this have to do with Woman B. Is it harming Woman B? No it isn't.

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19 Feb 2009, 2:46 pm

velodog wrote:
slowmutant wrote:
A woman's reproductive freedom takes precedent over everything else?
Absolutely. If, for example, a woman found out that there is a high likely hood of the fetus growing up having to suffer from the effects of Downs Syndrome or Autism then she might feel that the right thing to do is terminate the pregnancy so she wouldn't be responsible for bringing more suffering into the world.


Because Autism is always a passport to suffering? All the Downs kids ever have been depressed by how s**t their lives are?
Never see a happy Downy. Content Auties are an impossibility...


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20 Feb 2009, 5:38 pm

I think the key word is suffer.

Yes, lots of people with Down's Syndrome can live perfectly happy lives, can go to school, get a job, have relationships. However, the condition isn't just a matter of appearance and impaired intellectual ability, associated problems include heart defects, some of which may be so severe as to be life threatening or perhaps incompatible with life without lots of risky, painful surgeries. Some people might consider that it would be cruel to continue with a pregnancy if a child would have severe and painful medical problems that cause suffering.

Personally speaking, if I were pregnant, and if a scan showed the unborn child to have Down's Syndrome, I wouldn't automatically opt for a termination, but I would possibly consider it, not on the basis of Down's Syndrome, but taking into consideration other medical complications and complexities and potential suffering and potential need for painful medical interventions in future.