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Congrats FireBird that is amazing!! !

I too love art and would love to see your sketches or any other talented work!!

Me too...

I just read this whole topic. FireBird (and her mother) have stated over and over that she also mentions her schizophrenia when she talks about her autism. You all seem to miss that point. If you don't want her speaking publically, that's just too bad. Why don't you "pure" autistics go speak publically about your condition, if it bothers you so much.

FireBird, it is forbidden here to attack another person, even if they are attacking you. The attacks others have made against you here are nowhere near as severe as the attacks you have made against them. I'm surprised none of our "full-time" moderators have called you on them. Please don't do that. Try to ignore their insults.

I wish I could draw, I have zero talent in that direction

Ditto to everything said by ed.

I have no idea, Postperson, who you might feel is "qualified" to speak about autism. Personally, I much prefer to be represented by people who have at least some idea what they are talking about.

By my criteria, I'll say that FireBird is an excellent choice as an autism representative - especially because her autism is not some "purist" form. A form which somehow might have utterly no effect on her life beyond the prescribed diagnostic symptoms.

I see no compelling reason why, at a talk on autism, she should even mention anything about her situation beyond her autism. It is autism she is talking about, not a lecture on herself.

And... a success story makes a welcome change.

I recognize the mindset of her attacks..defensive, and otherwise, because I have observed them in my friend. It is kind of the nature of the beast...(the imbalance) When my friend is in one of his manic/delusional cycles, the slightest hint of perceived criticism will release a hailstorm of...um...(whats the word I am looking for?)....rebute. It can be difficult to deal with. One must take it with a grain of salt, and one must be very careful about what one says around him when he is like that. I am glad, for his sake and ours that he isn't always that difficult...but during these times, it is difficult to quantify the level of mental anguish he is going through.

I am not trying to compare Firebird so much to my friend or visa-versa...just trying to communicate that I see where she is coming from and understand why there is a negative feedback loop that will just continue to perpetuate if it is allowed to.
We should be happy for Firebird and remember that this is supposed to be a support forum.

I am going to clarify that statement... I did not mean that you were or were not doing this, I was simply stating that to deny one aspect of yourself when explaining another makes it more difficult for people to understand you. It has nothing to do with misrepresenting autism, or even representing autism at all. It has to do with representing yourself as a person with autism, and what that means, and what your comorbids mean alongside it. It has to do with you being you. I think that a person cannot draw lines and seperate one disorder from another disorder when they are of a similar nature. The different natures a disorder could be of being physical, neurological. It is important to me that people do not try to draw boxes and say this is where this ends, and over here in this box we have this other condition. No, that is not how the mind works. The mind works by as one whole, and as much as I can seperate between what disorder is causing what with me, I don't want to seperate them. That is because I am the combined knowledge of all my aspects, thoughts, and memories, and together they form my collective consciousness. They do not remain seperate in the greater consciousness, the blend to form a distinct person, and they compound on top of each other. Just because one is talking specificly about autism doesn't mean they have to only talk about autism.

Ultimately what I mean by that is that you can choose to speak about how your comorbids affect you because of autism. Sensory issues are not autism, and yet every talks about them as having a lot to do with it. That is because these sensory issues are interpretted by an autistic in a different way than an NT with sensory issues because of how the mind works. An NT won't be sent into a meltdown because the nosie is too great, an autistic possibly would. A person with ADHD might have problems paying attention to a person speaking, and have difficulty with conversation because of it, whereas an autistic with ADHD would have those issues of the autism amplified because of the ADHD. It isn't about whether or not you are representing autism accuratly, its about whether or not you are representing your experience with autism accuratly. And that is something I am confident you are already doing, as they wouldn't be letting you speak about it otherwise. My goal was to say that "hey, there is more to autism than just autism."

Again, I am not saying you should do this, or do that, just represent yourself as an autistic person, and however you do that, you will find that you may want to include bits and pieces of other things, just to show how autism isn't just about autism, it is about the person who has it.



As for this, I am curious to know what you think I think you are lying about, because I never once assumed you were lying about anything in this thread. I have also seen your art, as you link it in your profile, and it is good. Have you ever thought of making art that tells a story? Some of the greatest works of art in history were made as reflections of one's self through the media they are using to make the art.

Firebird, I have seen your artwork and it is lovely. Wish I had a talent like that.

I dont have schizoaffective tendencies. But I do know that having an AS/autistic mind can also make a person vulnerable to developing other co-morbids. I have co-morbids up to the ceiling. Doesnt make me any less AS.

ooh now I'm being attacked!

shall I play the victim and get mummy to help me? i hope my acting skills are good enough, i haven't had as much practice at professional victimhood as others, nor do i have a coach.

you don't know how hard it is for us 'pure' autistics, how much I've struggled and suffered from the inability to pick and choose my dx'es, unable to dip into all available baskets of available pity (ie money) and think of all the financial opportunities I've missed!

If people want support for their other dx'es they should seek it elsewhere.

I also note that Firebird doesn't seem to ever offer support to anyone else here, only demands it of others.

Yes I do object to people conflating mental illness with autism in the eyes of the public. I am not mentally ill. I do not want people to presume I am, because I have autism.

It's 'nice' of the dually/multiply diagnosed people here to show up in the last page or so, to support their own cause, but you can hardly expect me to find your opinions neutral or disinterested.

Postperson you are at it again. You think that I'm nothing but a jerk. I think this thread should be locked so no more attacks against me or anyone. I DO offer support to others. You are NOT a nice person, Postperson. You are mean and a bully. Just because I have other disorders doesn't make me a bad person. But you treat me as such. You want me eliminated from this world. You hate me because of my so called "schizophrenia." It is just plain wrong to shoot others down, I only shoot others down when they hurt me. And you have countless times, Stupid Postperson. I want this to end NOW. I don't want you posting on my thread.

It works both ways in regards to that. I haven't seen any attacks on people, other than by your daughter; attacking an idea and behaviour isn't mean or invalid, no matter what people think--have a look at your daughter to see truly mean behaviour which attacks the person. How do you know anything about my life? That's pure presumption. If you would so happen to read what your daughter writes, and how she becomes immediately defensive in a childish manner when someone doesn't sing her praise, one must wonder what's the intent behind the original post. Also, if she or anyone bases happiness on success in superficial ways, they're deluding themselves, as happiness comes from within yourself, not the approval of society or trying to prove someone wrong--this is a sign of low self-esteem, where someone isn't truly happy with who they are. Depression will come soaring back when something eventuates that'll disrupt this success (there always is something).

That's cool, but it doesn't look like that's her intent.

Where I'm standing, it looks like typical trolling for praise.

I'm also rather sceptical of people who come here with multiple dx'es and a product to sell. Joining forums in order to sell a product is known as 'viral marketing'. I don't know that my objections simply reduce down to 'pure' autism, as alleged.

Postperson, there is no "viral marketing" in firebird's statements. She's accomplished quite a lot for a young person and she has a right to feel proud of it.

I know you have strong opinions, but try to take her perspective. It is hard for aspies to do that, but I think that if you try, you can break out of this rigid, self-centered position.

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Oh would someone lock this thread already, it is not even a circle, it is a spiralling thing heading quickly into the oblivion of the dead horse society.

I object to the term 'continuing attacks' it's yet another instance of your 'playing the victim'.

I object to forums being used as some pre-assembled 'tupperware party' by people who come here with things to sell. I don't like the idea of people with multiple mental illnesses passing themselves off as solely autistic in a public speaking arena as it can lead to the public perception that autism is a mental illness.

If you and your mother wish you to pursue a (paid?)public spokeseperson role in the field of autism, one of the things you are going to need to get used to is detractors. People with muddy/multiple/confused dx'es are going to attract more criticism and that is quite clear in the history of other people who do public speaking on autism. If you can't cope with that, then you probably need to reconsider whether that is a good choice for you. Temple Grandin has lots of critics and I wouldn't even class her as having a 'confused' dx history. Why would it be any different for you?

There's a difference between ad hominem attacks, which are directed at the person themselves, and attacking arguments and behaviour of the person. Technically, they both are attacks, but the former is childish and has no place in a mature conversation, whereas the latter is the basis of intelligent conversation. I need not point out your first response to me as a perfect example of childish behaviour,

Ok, so you aren't trolling for praise. Why is it that you so happen to become extremely emotive and defensive when someone doesn't sing you praise? Do you need positive attention to feel good about yourself? If you need approval of others to feel good, that's a problem if you are prone to depression, as not everyone will respond to you how you like in this world, and this is something you need to realise.

I think most of my posts are pretty well organized with the exception of a few. The only problem I have is that I don't separate the written information into paragraphs. I know that is a problem. I don't think most of my posts are in word salad, maybe 5-10 of them are. But look how many overall posts I have, over 1,400 that are organized versus 5-10 that are not.