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You know my husband works at a plant that makes aluminum. He maintains electrical systems, and he's been trained to do more than they think he qualifies for, but anyway, he's been doing a lot of work in the last few months in basements. I think it's because of union politics that he's down there so frequently. Anyway, in their basements, either they have dried up oil from the fans or a crap load of ancient dust because nobody has been down there in a long while. My husband rarely gets sick. But since he's been doing all this work in the basements, he's had an ongoing sinus infection and sore throat. I keep telling him to bring a mask to wear, and he chooses not to, probably for the same reasons a bartender doesn't want to wear a gas mask to bartend. Painters do. People that work in asbestos do. It's a job hazard. If you dont like the hazard, then switch the job. That's still stupid to switch the laws for one job to reduce that one hazard when we have so many jobs out there with serious hazards beyond lung cancer and smoking. Many of those jobs out there with serious hazards could have the hazards reduced if corporate america wasn't so greedy.

The problem isn't bartenders. It's a great justification of it. But we all know these bans were started by a bunch of socialist granola heads driving around in their gas guzzling vehicles which probably emit more pollution than somebody's smoking habit all because they for whatever reason feel superior to the world because they don't smoke, use natural health care, and do some yoga. I wish this country didn't get rid of the smoking sections. It should have created hippi granola head sections instead, like Boulder CO and the entire state of CA. Let them have their Utopia while we worry about bigger and more urgent needs like the economy. I bet if I found that guy with the crazy hair to do an ad campaign that showed the statistics of the infants who die from that heart disorder that's the leading cause of infant deaths (as opposed to stats of people who die of cancer that he decided to associate to cigarette smoke and fool a bunch of gullible naive people into thinking it's a more serious problem than what it is), maybe my favorite charity on my good search would make enough money to help in it's research. But I guess it depends on where your intentions are. Truth or Drama.

I don't have a problem believing any western company is reckless with our health.

For instance, did you know during the clinical studies of SSRIs, a few showed extreme suicidal, threatening side effects that were never released by the company? And did you know that the FDA says Ritalin and other similar psychostimulants have the same chemical makeup as amphetamines and cocaine? And, did you know that since nobody knows the cause of ADHD, they can't even prove that psychostimulants help ADHD? Yet we are still prescribing them to little children.

I do want to see the actual studies to see how they were done. I don't want people who know nothing about statistics or science's opinion of the results of the study. I want to see the methods used. Experimental group. Control group. What kind of cigarettes did they smoke? Who all got cancer? If this empirical evidence doesn't exist, then we are merely speculating.

I do find it strange that the people who are smart enough to claim smoking causes cancer, and the same people smart enough to claim that a cigarette contains many poisons beyond nicotine, and the same people smart enough to claim that there's rat poison in cigarettes are the very same people who are smart enough to ban smoking in public areas on private property and destroy the rights of a business owner long before regulating what tobacco companies do.

Ummmm...we're just going to have to agree to disagree - since I'm a hippie granola head from San Francisco and you have something against my entire home-state. (You're kind of scaring me.)

Smoking should be banned.

Good point. Society usually attacks the supplier of drugs of abuse when it's cannabis, opiates, amphetamines, exstasy, LSD, etc., but for alcohol and tobacco for some reason it's always the end user who's saddled with all the responsibility to resist these freely-available products. Given that the typical heroin addict will be driven to burgling houses simply to fuel their addiction, how much sense does it make to stop people smoking tobacco by hiking the price, when tobacco is more addictive than heroin?

The tobacco industry has too many friends in Congress and the Senate that will not allow that industry's profit line to be threatened by concerns for the citizen's well-being.

Smoking is so dirty, I cannot bare the smell, it drives me nuts... There are laws in my rovince that really restrict smoking, and I wish those laws were more heavily enforced, as it prevents people from smoking in the areas were it is most annoying, which is places like smoking within a certain distance from buildings. People cannot smoke inside public places, but outside they are too free to smoke whereever they like. The laws restricting the distance to a building a person can smoke are pretty new, and if cops started enforcing that, this province would be a much nicer place to live. Smoking is a dirty dirty habit, and noone should participate in it.

Well, my electronic cigarettes arrived yesterday
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Gamucci-Micro-E ... 890&sr=1-2
First impressions - it'll never replace the real thing, but it does give me some kind of nicotine "hit," and definitely beats nicotine gum, so I've decided to see if I can go without smoking for a whole month, starting from today. Psychologically, the thought of never smoking again is too demoralising for me to bear, hence the limited remit of just quitting for a month. Maybe if I get that far I'll return to tobacco, maybe I won't.

Apparently I can also get a bottle of liquid nicotine to recharge the cartridges, which will make it cheaper to run. Pity I don't know where to buy hash oil these days

One mistake I made - the thing is too realistic, it's even got a little red light that glows when I draw on it, and it generates a little bit of steam (useful to check that it's working) - if I take this into public places, I'll probably be arrested before I've had time to explain. Maybe I should have gone for the type with a green light (how cool is that?).

Wish me luck - I've smoked since I was about 11 years old, and never yet managed to lay off for more than a few days, so a month off would be an unprecedented achievement for me. Time will tell.

Well, then the powers that be would just have to ban every other habit or behavior that irks a certain amount of the population.

Maybe you could make it illegal in Aspergia.

Interesting! I've heard of these but never tried them. I've pondered over the idea of quitting, but I think I should wait until I really want to commit myself to it.

Let us know how it goes.

I'm not a smoker, but I do love the way cigar smoke smells. Cigarette smoke is nasty, and I have an aunt who is such a heavy smoker that when she sends gifts at Christmas, everything smells like an ashtray. They have to air out in the garage before they go under the tree, and once opened, they have to be aired out a second time, or washed right away if it's clothing.

Good luck and let me be the first to say congratulations on quitting smoking. You know the old saying, one day at a time. Just stop for today. Worry about not smoking tomorrow, tomorrow.

When I stopped I was given the Nicotrol inhalers to help me quit. I loved those little things. No smoke when I puffed on it but I still got the nicotine. The need for nicotine and the habit of hand to mouth associated with smoking were both satisfied with the inhaler.

The only problem was I looked like I was sucking on a tampon, other than that it was fine.

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Thanks......I've cleared Day One I tried the cold nicotine delivery systems a couple of years ago, but couldn't get any relief from them. Gum is better for me because it burns my throat slightly, but the great thing about the hot delivery method is that it really does give me that nicotine hit - straight through the lungs and into the blood.

I've never been able to perceive nicotine withdrawal symptoms as such, though I don't doubt I get them. All I felt was an inexplicable urge to smoke and a sense of frustration at having to resist it. But one thing I notice with this device is that after using it my arms feel kind of calm and re-vitalised, and I sweat for a few seconds. I guess that's the effect of nicotine on the nervous system. With cigarettes I never really noticed that - I'd just feel slightly sick, presumably because of all the toxic stuff in them masking the sensation of the nicotine.