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21 Apr 2009, 10:28 am

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One of the basic misconceptions is that the enterprise of terraforming a hostile environment involves huge clunky machines and robots roiling the landscape and puffing out water and oxygen to permit the human pioneers to stop cowering in their bubble enclosures and walk freely on the planet. What is obviously needed are machines that live off the environment and reproduce themselves indefinitely and change the environment to something more welcome. Plants did this for oxygen breathing animals on Eath and this is what will probably happen on another planet to be made fit for Earth life. The "machines" will be biological creatures that change things by their dynamic physiology. It might take centuries but that's the way it will happen - if it does. The science fiction concept of alien invaders come to take over Earth with heat rays and waving tentacles is nonsense. The first wave will be strange alien microbes that change the atmosphere suitable to aliens and then alien plants that push that further along. Then will come the monsters.


Re-establishing life on Mars by biological means is a daunting task. Consider the following:

1. The magnetic field of Mars is long gone, perhaps a billion years.
2. The gravity of Mars is so weak it cannot retain a thick atmosphere.
3. Mars is blasted by solar radiation and since there is no magnetosphere to divert charged solar particles any life on the planet would be thoroughly cooked.

The only way for living things to survive on Mars is to live underground, shielded from the solar radiation and solar wind.

Combine this with the scarcity (if not complete absence) of water and you have a less than promising scene for establishing earth-compatible flora on Mars.

However, compared to Venus, Mars is downright comfortable.

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21 Apr 2009, 10:48 am

Although it is unlikely much can be done about the magnetic field, the first invaders of Mars on a mass scale will probably be algae or some kind of moss that can generate an atmosphere, No doubt this will take a while but after that other types of engineered life can make the ecology more comfortable. Of course Mars today would be pretty unlivable but the whole point of terraforming is to change that.



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21 Apr 2009, 11:13 am

There appears to be plenty of frozen water on mars and some researchers believe that surface water has been flowing relatively recently. A few believe its possible for pockets of surface water to persist today in an extremely briny state.

I read red/green/blue mars long ago but I think they reduced the problem with radiation by thickening the atmosphere. Normally, its quite a problem though. If in the future they learn to easily repair genetic damage than the increased solar radiation wouldnt be as much of a problem.

But for the near future you'd have to accept a higher cancer risk when visiting mars.



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21 Apr 2009, 8:48 pm

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The north of mars is thought to be a frozen ocean with a overburden of dust. Evidence for this are craters called sploosh craters. Their perimeters have features that suggest flash frozen liquid. The ejecta of stone and metal craters has a far different scatter field than a low viscosity liquid like steam and boiling water.

The internet is being surprisingly unhelpful with images!

Google earth now has google mars. If these are of sufficient size perhaps we could find some...


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