What separates an NT Obsession from an AS obsession?

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millie
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13 May 2009, 1:01 am

There are basically two things i think about, talk about and do. My special interests of Painting and also ASD's.
What happens when i talk to people? in reality i take them hostage and communicate to about my special interests and i veer each conversation around to these special interest topics. People then try to give their input and i somehow VEER the conversation back to my special interests. People are my hostage sounding boards. sad but true.

If I am to extend beyond that, it is deliberate, conscious, cognitive and exhausting.

I do or think about my special interests to the exclusion of people, and everything else is of secondary importance.
THAT is all-consuming ASD special interests in a nutshell.



13 May 2009, 1:14 am

NT's have obsessions that are more socially acceptable. For example; sports are acceptable, make up is acceptable, fashion is acceptable. But our interests are more out of the norm. I know mine are.


But my question is what about aspies who aren't disabled by their interests? I mean they still spend their time with them and stuff but they don't do it 24/7 they neglect their responsibilities such as they skip going to work, skip their home work, etc.

I don't think my obsessions disable me. I used to talk about them but now I do it less. People don't like to hear the same thing over and over. My obsessions are there to help me pass time and I have them in my head.



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13 May 2009, 1:37 am

Our obsessions appear to be more tangible. We are either obsessing(Over annalysing) over thoughts, understanding behaviour and questioning things where NTs would let things go. The obsessions with watching people, certain books, movies, computer technology, the web etc are extreme interest behaviour.

When I volunteered for a research study into dpression and I mention my OCD they assumed those typical obsessive compiulsive habits. These were hand washing, checking doors, checking if appliance are turned off etc.

Perhaps I'm rambling but our obsessions have purpose although they are extreme compared to NT obsessive compulsions which are of little value, just repetitious.



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13 May 2009, 6:32 am

Spokane_Girl wrote:
But my question is what about aspies who aren't disabled by their interests? I mean they still spend their time with them and stuff but they don't do it 24/7 they neglect their responsibilities such as they skip going to work, skip their home work, etc.


That's called learning to adapt and balance. It doesn't mean that we're not thinking about them in the back of our minds, or that we might take the first socially acceptable chance we can to resume.



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13 May 2009, 6:54 am

I think that the difference is that some of us aspies have special interests or obsessions that we can make money off of. I've developed an obsession with loom knitting and my goal is to see how many things I can learn to make, by next year. I can make money, selling the mass-produced items that I create. However, it's probably not normal for someone to have a third of their apartment filled with finished projects.


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13 May 2009, 9:46 am

Interesting ideas about special interests. :-) I agree sports,fashion etc. are considered normal interests while ours are abstract I guess if you want to call it that. I still think doctors etc. are obsessive or they wouldn't become specialist (cardiology,Urology etc.) :-)



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13 May 2009, 10:19 am

CockneyRebel wrote:
I think that the difference is that some of us aspies have special interests or obsessions that we can make money off of. I've developed an obsession with loom knitting and my goal is to see how many things I can learn to make, by next year. I can make money, selling the mass-produced items that I create. However, it's probably not normal for someone to have a third of their apartment filled with finished projects.


Hah... you haven't met many knitters, in that case. :)

I think that aspies are more likely to be "process knitters" rather than "product knitters." I certainly know that is true for me.



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13 May 2009, 10:28 am

I'm not too sure myself. Maybe an NT will know when to shut up and and an aspie would just go on on about there obsession? although I do know two NTs that have had massive obsessions and they have driven me round the bend with them.


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13 May 2009, 10:52 am

The difference is stated exactly in the DSM.

It's even written black on white

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encompassing preoccupation with one or more stereotyped and
restricted patterns of interest that is abnormal either in intensity
or focus
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The social deficits and restricted patterns of interests, activities, and behavior are the source of considerable disability.


If your obsession is not like this, then you do not fulfil that criterion and do not have a special interest. You then have an obsession like any non-autistic person can have too.

No doubt some professionals don't know a thing and are too lazy to read or are illiterate and misdiagnose this.


If you do not understand the above explanations of the DSM, then I can give you an example of myself.

I have interests and some are strong, but I do not fulfil this criterion.

I can stop to do something else, I can remember to eat, sleep and I do not get on the nerves of people around me by talking about my interests unasked.

As you can see, my interests are not abnormal in focus or intensity nor do they disable me. Thus I do not have a special interest.


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13 May 2009, 11:12 am

I think the question may be confusing the restricted, repetitive and stereotyped behaviors and interests of the Aspie with full-blown obsession or OCD. I think the term "obsession" is often used about Aspies because it's shorter than "special interests."

I don't see there's any reason to think that an Aspie is always helplessly engaged in special interests to the point of obsession, although if life is stressing out the Aspie, then they might well find themselves getting more heavily into them, as a pacifying strategy. People often find it hard to pull us away from our interests, and those interests might seem silly and antisocial to many folks, but I think there's a difference in the strength and the potential for self-harm.

For example, I'm currently spending a lot of time on WP while I'm at work, but sometimes my employer gives me a huge workload, and although I might feel substantially annoyed about that when it happens, I'm in no serious danger of being unable to tear myself away, though if life were stressing me out more than usual, I might find it more difficult to come away from it than usual - I might therefore put myself under even more stress as the urge to keep reading/writing and the urge to keep my job fight it out, but ultimately realism always prevails, and there's no really great harm done, although there is some harm. It's just a softer edge than you'd get with OCD.

Of course, there's no reason why an Aspie can't have OCD as well, and an Aspie special interest plus a big dose of stress could be the genesis of OCD as a comorbid symptom, I suppose.



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13 May 2009, 11:26 am

But if we go by the dsm related term or definition that would describe an otaku. Meaning home in Japanese. And not all otakus are aspies I dont know how many there actually are. I dont feel your special interest has to go to the limits of the definition of the dsm because if that were the case I would never be able to be on here or go to pogo. Also I would not be able to take care of myself. The defintion of an aspie is that they do have a special interest. And if you constantly think about it like in wrll terms during highschool all I thought about was going home and reading stuff of nifty or asstr. But I constantly think about Wrll no matter where I am. I just dont think we need to limit ourselves but what the dsm entails.



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13 May 2009, 1:28 pm

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I think that the difference is that some of us aspies have special interests or obsessions that we can make money off of. I've developed an obsession with loom knitting and my goal is to see how many things I can learn to make, by next year. I can make money, selling the mass-produced items that I create. However, it's probably not normal for someone to have a third of their apartment filled with finished projects.


sounds exciting and fantastic and lots an lots of good luck with the plans and venture as it unfolds.



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13 May 2009, 6:05 pm

Sora wrote:
I have interests and some are strong, but I do not fulfil this criterion. I can stop to do something else, I can remember to eat, sleep and I do not get on the nerves of people around me by talking about my interests unasked.

Well-said, Sora. NTs' "obsessions" are really just strong interests, but they don't rule a person's life. What I think characterizes a full-blown AS special interest is the inability to stop thinking about the obsession in some way. I know that I have true special interests, because I get so absorbed in something that my head will buzz with thoughts only about the special interest and I don't want to talk about or think about anything else. I have some special interests that are abnormal in both intensity and focus, but all of my are certainly abnormal in focus. I highly doubt that some NT who is really into sports thinks about sports all of the time...
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13 May 2009, 8:08 pm

Ok then yeah oddduck when im here I think about Wrll every hour to every minute I think about Wrll.



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13 May 2009, 8:12 pm

I think NTs say they are obsessed with something, but they actually just mean it is a theme that recurs in their thought patterns.

We on the other hand get literally obsessed, to the point that we fixate on one thing for extended periods to the exclusion of all else.


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13 May 2009, 9:13 pm

AmberEyes wrote:
When I have a hobby or interest, I tend to think about it on my own terms and decide to do it alone.

I don't tend to do it because everyone else is doing it or I've been recommended it by other people.

I focus in on an interesting object associated with the activity and think:
"That's nice, I might try that." and take it from there.

Most other people seem to want to join groups and "crazes" not to feel left out.

I don't.
I tend to do more solitary things that don't require many people.

Also, if my family buy stuff for me.
But there I was in the garden using that stuff on my own.

If I do join a craze, it's usually because I can't buy any other clothes or shoes in my size; items are on special offer; I walked into the shop and found something alone; I listened to the radio/watched TV alone and a sparkly/fascinating gadget appeared on the screen.

I choose what I do.
Other people seem to be compelled by there friends to take part in certain activities and hobbies, or to buy certain things.

I don't see the people and peer pressure surrounding the item.
I just seem to see the item.


I totally hear that. And you know what? I think that also helps us see stuff for what it really is, whereas NTs buy into the glitz and glamour; we go for the substance.