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31 Mar 2008, 8:36 pm

I think Flash in most it's forms sould die a flaming death. Why you ask ?
Does not play nice with windows. Too many bugs. Lack of control being the most important reason i loath it so. Sould have a block this website/ do not trust it control
like you can do with 3rd party cookies. And this is for the makers if they can read this stop being evil scums see the light of Goodware punks ! !! heeh rant ends
Do you agree ? yes no ?



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31 Mar 2008, 8:43 pm

I don't agree flash is pretty good at being cross platform. working across Windows, Mac Linux and Solaris on both x86 and SPARC. and its a great way for me to get video without having to use stuff like windows media player on some windows box instead of my sun.

I think that flash being used for advertisement however should be banned. as it can realyl load down your system as your browser loads hundreds of flash adds...

but really thats not the fault of flash just more human stupidity combining with technology to create pain as usual.



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31 Mar 2008, 9:16 pm

it's a tool, like anything else. Can be used for good or bad...



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01 Apr 2008, 2:43 am

@Beztalel: is vlc not an option?

I think Flash SHOULD die a Flaming death. It is unfree, it is used mainly to annoy and it makes browsers insecure. Also it is not platform independent (or where is my HURD flashplayer?) it supports rather few platforms. It is a waste of ressources and apperntly it makes people dumb. It's so common that people only send a link to gootube instead of using their brain to explain something.


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01 Apr 2008, 8:44 am

I do have Mplayer. I'm not sure how well vlc works on SPARC if at all. but Mplayer on SPARC doesn't deal well with microsoft specific video formats. and there is no decent mplayer plugin for firefox that I can find. and even then theres a good amount of sitres that support firefox that will refuse to let me in because I'm not running the "right OS" I have to diddle with the user agent string.

The thing about flash is it just works out of the box with no hassle. the fact that it is not free is not a problem for me. Adobe and MacroMedia make good products. as far as HURD support goes i don't see anyone using that as a desktop system. there are open source flash viewers out there if you want to go that route on an un-supported platform.

Either way I use mplayer for divx video viewing on my Sun and for quick linked to web video I use flash because I don't want to waste my time trying to view the video in some other way than was intended.



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01 Apr 2008, 8:54 am

I don't like Flash either, mainly because it's practically required these days for a normal web experience, yet it doesn't run on every platform that has a web browser. A lot of times even if there is a Flash port, it's made from the Flash 7 SDK, and we're currently on Flash 9.



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01 Apr 2008, 5:36 pm

If Flash was made open-source, I'd probably respect it more.


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01 Apr 2008, 8:07 pm

I agree it should be boycotted unless Adobe releases it under the GPL! It is sickening that so many sites depend on it and you can't access a lot of stuff with open software as a result. :x The internet should be free and open, and proprietary formats such as flash should not be tolerated.



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01 Apr 2008, 10:50 pm

Commercial software has its place you simply can't have everything for free. If it wasn't for commercial software free software would not exist because there would have been nothing to write the free software with. Commercial software also exists to fill the needs of those that pay for it. not just the needs of a few developers that are not accountable to anyone.



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02 Apr 2008, 12:25 am

Keep in mind that flash is the only way to do animation on the web, except for animated .gifs, and those have serious problems from a content and marketing point of view (limited colours, no real transparency). If animated .png or .svg files become popular (and get browser support from Microsoft), I'm sure the number of sites using flash would drop.

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I get the feeling Stallman would have build his own hardware if he had to.


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02 Apr 2008, 12:37 am

Betzalel wrote:
If it wasn't for commercial software free software would not exist because there would have been nothing to write the free software with.


You have an unusual take on computing history. If anything, the opposite is true.



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02 Apr 2008, 6:11 am

-Main wrote:
Keep in mind that flash is the only way to do animation on the web, except for animated .gifs, and those have serious problems from a content and marketing point of view (limited colours, no real transparency). If animated .png or .svg files become popular (and get browser support from Microsoft), I'm sure the number of sites using flash would drop.


I think animation has no place on the 'net. But then, I guess if I had a say in these matters, there wouldn't be an <img> at all!


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02 Apr 2008, 10:27 am

Actually there is an open-source flash alternative called gnash. Second If not Flash for animation then what would be used for it? Here is the link for gnash Gnash



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02 Apr 2008, 2:50 pm

Odd, I've been running Firefox under Windows for the past couple of years (XP for most of that time, recently started using a Vista computer), and I haven't had any trouble at all with Flash. My wife's computer had a problem for a little while using Flash embedded in Yahoo! websites, but that was cleared up when Yahoo! finally issued a Vista upgrade.

Have you uploaded Microsoft's patches for your Windows system? (Or, even worse, are you still running either Win '98 or Win2k, both of which suck silicon?)


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03 Apr 2008, 11:32 pm

V001 wrote:
I think Flash in most it's forms sould die a flaming death. Why you ask ?
Does not play nice with windows. Too many bugs. Lack of control being the most important reason i loath it so. Sould have a block this website/ do not trust it control
like you can do with 3rd party cookies. And this is for the makers if they can read this stop being evil scums see the light of Goodware punks ! !! heeh rant ends
Do you agree ? yes no ?


Install Noscript and Adblock plus, and there you go, bye bye Flash!
You can then have trusted websites, temporary trusted websites, and everything else is blocked Image


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04 Apr 2008, 1:21 am

computerlove wrote:
V001 wrote:
I think Flash in most it's forms sould die a flaming death. Why you ask ?
Does not play nice with windows. Too many bugs. Lack of control being the most important reason i loath it so. Sould have a block this website/ do not trust it control
like you can do with 3rd party cookies. And this is for the makers if they can read this stop being evil scums see the light of Goodware punks ! !! heeh rant ends
Do you agree ? yes no ?


Install Noscript and Adblock plus, and there you go, bye bye Flash!
You can then have trusted websites, temporary trusted websites, and everything else is blocked Image


But unfortunately, that ends up blocking a very large chunk of the internet. The problem isn't that we don't want to view these sites; but that they are only viewable in a proprietary format which won't work on Open Source software. :evil:

Sometimes these sites are extremely important that you access them, if they are banking sites or whatever. If you use open software you're pretty much effed. :x