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16 Oct 2008, 7:12 pm

Is this another scam like Jeff Gannon? It seems like it so far.


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16 Oct 2008, 10:23 pm

Did anyone see SNL where they lampooned the Joe the Plumber thing? It was hilarious.


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16 Oct 2008, 10:32 pm

It would have to be some pretty wild luck and they'd have to be spending a lot on plants (not knowing which one would get that kind of answer). I could see them having a plant in the sense of someone who's there to grab soundbites like this and give Obama the Charlie Gibson or Katie Couric 'gotya' moment; they really had no idea what sort of question Obama would this blunt on.

Regardless though, its tough to say it would have mattered IMO - answering the way he did was more his choice than anything.



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17 Oct 2008, 4:41 am

To create a media hype about a random plumber is plain silly. With some less luck the guy would be totally unknown and instead it was Paul the factory worker who would be in all papers now. But hey, if Joe the plumber wants money to buy his own business, being a celebrity suddenly will certainly help.


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17 Oct 2008, 4:53 am

I actually feel sorry for the poor bugger, being thrown into the media spotlight like that. It won't end well.


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17 Oct 2008, 8:20 am

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I actually feel sorry for the poor bugger, being thrown into the media spotlight like that. It won't end well.


Nope - by making him the center of the final presidential debate, JSM guaranteed that that paparazzi and press would put Joe under the microscope. Asking a question or two of a visiting politician is one thing, but I don't think Joe volunteered to be the point man for a campaign.



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17 Oct 2008, 8:37 am

Joe the disabled retired plumber.

If he votes for Obama he would have paid slightly higher tax, except he is disabled now due to injury and doesn't work, so receives some financial help as his insurance doesn't cover this.

If he votes for McCain he would have plaid slightly less tax, except he is disabled now due to injury and doesn't work and receives f**k all as his insurance doesn't cover this, and may yet be put into an institution to save more money for ungrateful yuppies who just want to get their third side return/basement conversion/loft extension built this year and are annoyed at having to find another plumber at short notice.



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17 Oct 2008, 9:50 am

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/17/us/po ... ?th&emc=th

Real Deal on ‘Joe the Plumber’ Reveals New Slant

One week ago, Joe Wurzelbacher was just another working man living in a modest house outside Toledo, Ohio, and thinking about how to buy the plumbing business where he works. But when he stopped Senator Barack Obama during a visit to his block last weekend to complain about taxes, he set himself on a path to becoming America’s newest media celebrity — and as such suddenly found himself facing celebrity-level scrutiny.

As it turns out, Joe the Plumber, as he became nationally known when Senator John McCain made him a theme at Wednesday’s final presidential debate, may work in the plumbing business, but he is not a licensed plumber.

Thomas Joseph, the business manager of Local 50 of the United Association of Plumbers, Steamfitters and Service Mechanics, based in Toledo, said Thursday that Mr. Wurzelbacher had never held a plumber’s license, which is required in Toledo and several surrounding municipalities. He also never completed an apprenticeship and does not belong to the plumber’s union, which has endorsed Mr. Obama. On Thursday, he acknowledged that he does plumbing work even though he does not have a license.

His full name is Samuel J. Wurzelbacher. And he owes back taxes, too, public records show. The premise of his complaint to Mr. Obama about taxes may also be flawed, according to tax analysts. Contrary to what Mr. Wurzelbacher asserted and Mr. McCain echoed, neither his personal taxes nor those of the business where he works are likely to rise if Mr. Obama’s tax plan were to go into effect, they said.

None of that is likely to matter to those who see Mr. Wurzelbacher as a symbol of the entrepreneurial spirit they hope to foster with tax cuts, but even Mr. Wurzelbacher said he was shocked by all the attention.

“I’m kind of like Britney Spears having a headache,” he told The Associated Press on Thursday. “Everybody wants to know about it.”

Just five days ago, Mr. Wurzelbacher, 34, lived in anonymity in Holland, Ohio, a single father who, as he said on national television, worked all day and came home to fix dinner and help his son, 13, with his homework.

But he became the hero of conservatives and Republicans when he stopped Mr. Obama, who was campaigning on his street, and asked whether he believed in the American dream. Mr. Wurzelbacher said he was concerned about having to pay higher taxes as an owner of a small business.

“I’m getting ready to buy a company that makes $250,000 to $280,000 a year,” he told Mr. Obama. “Your new tax plan is going to tax me more, isn’t it?”

That encounter wound up on YouTube and led to appearances on the Fox News Channel, interviews with conservative bloggers and a New York Post editorial, all of whom seized on a small part of Mr. Obama’s long reply. “I think that when you spread the wealth around, it’s good for everybody,” Mr. Obama had said.

Mr. McCain invoked Mr. Wurzelbacher in Wednesday’s debate as a way to criticize Mr. Obama’s tax plan and wealth-sharing argument, and picked up the theme again on Thursday.

“You know what Senator Obama had to say to Joe? That he wanted to spread his wealth around,” Mr. McCain said at an event in Downingtown, Pa. “America didn’t become the greatest nation on earth by spreading the wealth,” he said. “We became the greatest nation by creating new wealth.”

After some version of “Joe the Plumber” was mentioned two dozen times during the debate, Mr. Wurzelbacher found news crews outside his home and Katie Couric on the phone.

Mr. Wurzelbacher told reporters that the company he works for, Newell Plumbing & Heating, has two full-time employees: himself and the owner, Al Newell.

Neither Mr. Newell nor Mr. Wurzelbacher responded to telephone calls. And Mr. Wurzelbacher has provided only vague information on his and the company’s finances since talking to Mr. Obama. But if the plumbing business remained a two-person company and the net proceeds — after deductions for business expenses — were shared by the two men, both incomes would most likely fall well below the top tax brackets on which Mr. Obama wants to raise rates, as would the company itself.

Both, in fact, would probably be eligible for a tax cut, said Bob Williams, senior research associate at the independent, nonpartisan Tax Policy Center, though the cut would probably be greater under Mr. McCain’s tax plan than Mr. Obama’s.

According to public records, Mr. Wurzelbacher has been subject to two liens, each over $1,100. One, with a hospital, has been settled, but a tax lien with the State of Ohio is still outstanding.

In his interview with Ms. Couric, Mr. Wurzelbacher, who voted Republican in Ohio’s March primary, said that his encounter with Mr. Obama had been prompted by his desire “to ask one of these guys a question, and really corner them and get them to answer a question for once instead of tap dancing around it. And unfortunately I asked the question, but I still got a tap dance.”

He added, “He was almost as good as Sammy Davis Jr.”



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17 Oct 2008, 10:00 am

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“You know what Senator Obama had to say to Joe? That he wanted to spread his wealth around,” Mr. McCain said at an event in Downingtown, Pa. “America didn’t become the greatest nation on earth by spreading the wealth,” he said. “We became the greatest nation by creating new wealth.”


Except for building the railroads of the West and, ah ... fuck it.


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17 Oct 2008, 11:20 am

The hover dam... oh no I think i'm loosing my memory for these things



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17 Oct 2008, 11:26 am

Quatermass wrote:
I actually feel sorry for the poor bugger, being thrown into the media spotlight like that. It won't end well.


Ditto. He doesn't seem very comfortable with the attention. Poor guy. Might be getting him some business though. Maybe a silver lining.


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17 Oct 2008, 11:28 am

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008 ... _no_3.html



joe the plumber demythed.


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17 Oct 2008, 11:28 am

Poor guy now everyone know he owes back taxes lord I don't know if I could deal with everyone knowing something so personal.


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17 Oct 2008, 11:40 am

What about Larry the Porn Star? How will he be affected by the candidates' tax policies?


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17 Oct 2008, 12:51 pm

:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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17 Oct 2008, 1:38 pm

chever wrote:
What about Larry the Porn Star? How will he be affected by the candidates' tax policies?


Not sure, but the $850 billion dollar package has a stimulus for movie making, so hopefully Larry will be able to work more, and won't mind paying a bit of extra tax on his increased income.