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09 Dec 2013, 7:17 am

For the people who insist that the Bible states pi = 3, please give this a read:
http://www.purplemath.com/modules/bibleval.htm



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09 Dec 2013, 7:43 am

MCalavera wrote:
For the people who insist that the Bible states pi = 3, please give this a read:
http://www.purplemath.com/modules/bibleval.htm


pi is a transcendental number and it is NOT = 3.14 (which is rational).



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09 Dec 2013, 7:52 am

ruveyn wrote:
MCalavera wrote:
For the people who insist that the Bible states pi = 3, please give this a read:
http://www.purplemath.com/modules/bibleval.htm


pi is a transcendental number and it is NOT = 3.14 (which is rational).


So? They aren't going to write an irrational number for the length of a basin or whatever.


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09 Dec 2013, 8:33 am

However, the more digits you tack on the the value of Pi (they have to be the correct digits, by the way), the more accurate the value becomes.

For instance, 3.141593 is sufficiently accurate to allow a person to circumnavigate the earth and arrive within 100 meters of his or her starting position.

The value of 3.141592653589793 is used in our Global Positioning System.

But since Pi = 3 in the Bible, it's no wonder at all that the "Children of Israel" wandered around in that desert for 40 years ... :lol:



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09 Dec 2013, 10:50 am

Perhaps, the rim of the basin had negative curvature in addition to positive curvature.

Wow, we're really going out on a limb, now.



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09 Dec 2013, 12:29 pm

God's number is φ (phi; not pi)

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This number is found in virtually every creation on the planet and in the heavens. It is such a perfect formula that humans have copied and applied this golden ratio to mathematics, art, and even architecture.



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09 Dec 2013, 12:55 pm

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God's number is φ (phi; not pi)


And God's dessert of choice is Pie...Pie a'la mode if He's feeling frisky.



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09 Dec 2013, 1:10 pm

zer0netgain wrote:
kxmode wrote:
God's number is φ (phi; not pi)


And God's dessert of choice is Pie...Pie a'la mode if He's feeling frisky.


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09 Dec 2013, 1:25 pm

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[size=20]God's number is φ...

Says who? You? Your elders? God?

Evidence, Please?

Phi was known to ancient Greeks like Pythagoras and Euclid over 2,400 years ago. Euclid (c. 325 to c. 265 BC), in his "Elements", gave the first recorded definition of the golden ratio (the Bible never did), which he called, as translated into English, "Extreme and Mean Ratio" (Greek: ἄκρος καὶ μέσος λόγος).

The Bible gives NO mention of this ratio, in spite of the fact that Jehovah's Witnesses have tried to say that certain ratios involving the Ark of the Covenant, the Tabernacle, and Solomon's Temple all implied a value that is close to Phi, but that is in error by about 3%.

The Biblical value for Pi is off by about 4.5%, by the way ... JW's never seem to get anything right ... :lol:



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09 Dec 2013, 3:59 pm

Or perhaps the rim had a very strong gravitational field and so the stick used to measure the circumference became warped.



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09 Dec 2013, 5:02 pm

MMMMMMMMMMMMMmmmmmm..........Pi
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09 Dec 2013, 5:52 pm

Or perhaps not care about something so stupid and trivial. The bible is full of morals, teachings parables, and SYMBOLISM.

Homer Simpson says: DOOOOHHHHH!! !


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09 Dec 2013, 7:32 pm

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... The bible is full of morals, teachings parables, and SYMBOLISM ...

Are you intentionally implying that the Holy Bible is not scientifically accurate and that it does not accurately portray historical events?

:wink: ... I sure hope so ...



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09 Dec 2013, 7:39 pm

Fnord wrote:
appletheclown wrote:
... The bible is full of morals, teachings parables, and SYMBOLISM ...

Are you intentionally implying that the Holy Bible is not scientifically accurate and that it does not accurately portray historical events?

:wink: ... I sure hope so ...

The Bible expects you to take what you can out of it, and better the world with the teachings that are there. You are supposed to listen to GOD more than his book as well. If Jesus listened to the Torah as per your logic, he'd be a Pharisee.


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09 Dec 2013, 7:50 pm

Fnord wrote:
kxmode wrote:
[size=20]God's number is φ...

Says who? You? Your elders? God?

Evidence, Please?

Phi was known to ancient Greeks like Pythagoras and Euclid over 2,400 years ago. Euclid (c. 325 to c. 265 BC), in his "Elements", gave the first recorded definition of the golden ratio (the Bible never did), which he called, as translated into English, "Extreme and Mean Ratio" (Greek: ἄκρος καὶ μέσος λόγος).

The Bible gives NO mention of this ratio, in spite of the fact that Jehovah's Witnesses have tried to say that certain ratios involving the Ark of the Covenant, the Tabernacle, and Solomon's Temple all implied a value that is close to Phi, but that is in error by about 3%.

The Biblical value for Pi is off by about 4.5%, by the way ... JW's never seem to get anything right ... :lol:


So?

1. Why would it matter if it's mentioned in the Bible or not?
2. The value of Pi in the Bible isn't actually listed as Pi, it's just the measurement of a basin.
3. If you actually read the link the value given for "Pi" is a bit more accurate than 3.


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09 Dec 2013, 7:59 pm

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1. Why would it matter if it's mentioned in the Bible or not?

The claim was made that Phi is "God's Number". Unless the Judeo-Christian God has clearly stated so Himself, it is not likely to be true; and since the Judeo-Christian God allegedly speaks to us only through the Bible, pointing out that omission is the same as saying that the claimant (once again) doesn't know what he's talking about.

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2. The value of Pi in the Bible isn't actually listed as Pi, it's just the measurement of a basin.

As I've said in many other threads, the Biblical value of Pi is implied by both the diameter (10 cubits) and the circumference (30 cubits) of the circular basin. Anyone with more than a third-grade education can do the maths and arrive at the value of exactly 3, which is off the value of Pi by more than 4.5%.

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3. If you actually read the link the value given for "Pi" is a bit more accurate than 3.

The actual value of Pi has been calculated into the trillions of digits; and the more digits so produced, the more accurate the value. As I stated before, 7 digits are sufficient to circumnavigate the Earth, and 15 digits are all that are used in the Global Positioning System.