Capitalism VS Feudalism

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I don't know how the right wing views the replacement of different systems, so I posted this thread to listen (and expand my ammunition)

I believe capitalism is superior to feudalism. Because it changed the people's service targets from the nobility to the more numerous bourgeoisie. Workers also feel happy because their remuneration has the opportunity to increase due to hard work.

At the same time, a significant number of people living under feudalism thought it was reasonable to pay taxes to the nobility because that was how they lived.

Do you think it is inevitable that capitalism replace feudalism? What is it powered by?

I'm not sure there's a huge difference. Either way you're working on someone else's means of production with little power or agency in the grand scheme of things.

Is the transition from feudalism to capitalism inevitable? I would say it's inevitable unless you can deprive a feudal country of access to technology and all the other shiny things that fuel the transition, and even then they'll evolve into capitalism by themselves, it'll just take longer. People don't commonly reject technological innovation if it makes their lives easier, and the elite don't commonly reject a chance to get even richer and to ditch responsibility for their - er - human resources.

I don't think there's a definitive answer to which is the better system. As a perfectionist I'm bound to think both systems are somewhat crap.

I like the freedom of capitalism, in as far as I'm more free than a serf or baron would have been. I like the comfort. I don't like the environmental damage that capitalism is doing, which seems to be an existential threat to the whole planet.

I like the concept of the just price which was embedded in feudalism. I'm sick of the attitude that approves of capitalists being allowed to set whatever prices they can get away with. If they ever get a 100% free market, the rest of us are going to suffer horribly.

I'm attracted to the strong sense of social bonding that's said to have existed under feudalism, though it would have come at a heavy price in terms of lack of personal freedom, and feudal society would probably think I was a dangerously loose cannon, as I'm not used to being tied down so much by conventions. My atheism would be anathema to them for a start.

According to both Adam Smith and Karl Marx feudalism was the phase that Europe went through after the fall of the "slave owning societies" of antiquity (Rome and Greece) and before the rise of modern capitalism in circa 1500 AD.

The serfs were not outright owned as slaves but were legally tied to the land, and the land was owned by the local landowning lord. Serfs gave their agricultural produce to the lord in exchange for protection.

Feudalism worked fine for centuries but it was rather inevitable that the rural based feudal system would give away an urban based money based economy run by a new merchant class. Along with that the local lords loose power to the monarch of the centralized nation state who can professional standing armies.

Outside of Europe you might find some place that was feudal and stayed feudal.

Middle Ages Japan is one of the few places outside of Europe that did feudalism anything like the way that western Europe did in the Middle Ages. Japan had knights, lords, and serfs. And also went through an evolution of a rise of an urban merchant class usurping power from the rural lords and allying itself with the central state under the Shogans.

Russia had feudalism ...but had a centralized monarchy first...and then imposed feudalism top-down to help control the peasants(and did so about the same time that western europe was evolving out of feudalism).

Writing about his own 19th Century time Marx wrote that under capitalism workers appear to be free agents volunteering to sell their labor by choice or start their own businesses, "but in fact workers have little more control over their lives than did the serfs of old".

But Marx also praised capitalism because it unleashed productivity of goods and services on a scale never before seen in human history...way beyond any mode of production before it including feudalism.

So yes...for that reason capitalism is better than feudalism. And Marx would be the first to agree.

Why stop there?

Lets privatize breathing air too!

i will not consume nestle products, a pox on them and capitalism and feudalism which are increasingly intertwined.

Oh Where ..Oh Where are my Corporate Overlords , i slave for my daily bread. They have created this thread...
Corporate Overlords , please respond, for I havent the correct words to address sucha post ....
For if I do not slave for the man.. my right to food will go away...and my Water bill will not be paid, So my right to water or Food will not go away .. Oh Great Overlord , please provide them the answers , they need in this thread to ease their minds/ sufferings . Or justly smite them down with thy sword and staff ( military and missiles) .So that they will not blaspheme the names of thy Corporate Schills ( bosses).
[Written tongue in cheek]

why oh why can't we have peace?

i wish i could send them all to the phantom zone so this poor earth could have some peace.