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Is this one of those things where socialists believe LGBT is mainly practice by the bourgeoisie and that the proletariat have neither the wealth nor free time to practice such extravagant displays of heterodoxy?

The Capitalists commercialize everything.  How else do you expect them to employ workers and generate profit?

Kinda off topic, but this is why I am hesitant to make friends, and why I am reflexively suspicious of people who do have friends. People will believe all kinds of nonsense if it will help them fit in. People will throw away just about any principle if it helps them keep "friends".


Leftists had to basically settle for the Democrats given how politically impotent the actual Left is in the US. We haven't had a socialist candidate run for president since Eugene Debs over 100 years ago.
I am also unsure why you blame "elites" for making people dislike each other. I notice this often, where people act like "identity politics" is a product of the wealthy upper class. This is far from the case. Women, queeros, non-whites, and non-Christians had to fight tooth and nail from the grassroots up for the respect and acceptance they have today. The "elites" have sided with the left on cultural issues, because the elites are nothing if not obsessed with making themselves seem virtuous and educated.
I think your and others' tendency to blame "elites" for culture wars comes from the fact that many people only hear about these things from celebrities running their mouths on TV, media pundits looking for brownie points, and politicians looking to brown-nose their base. Ignore them. They are late to the party. They rarely even know what they are talking about, and often say things that are ignorant and harmful without realizing it.
Americans are not being ""divided"" the same way South Slavs were. South Slavs were encouraged to set aside their differences and embrace an identity that went beyond nationalist fixation on ethnicity. This was unity in the name of acceptance and internationalism. Americans have historically been pressured to discard their non-English culture, language, and identities so that we can all be obedient American nationalists. This was unity imposed through social-political pressure and the constant denigration of non-American, non-English-speaking peoples. Those who reject assimilation are branded radicals, anti-American, terrorists.
Americans are being "divided" (a word mainly used by capitalist-nationalists) in that they are increasingly speaking up about persistent inequality and injustice between advantaged groups and disadvantaged groups. When the American nationalist calls for "unity", he is saying, "Shut up about problems your community face! Capitalism says it's their fault! Maybe if you conformed more to Anglo-Saxon American norms, you wouldn't be so impoverished and persecuted!"


America and Yugoslavia are interesting to compare given their similarities and differences. To give you an idea, white American nationalists are reacting much like how Serbian nationalists reacted to the idea of losing their stranglehold on power. To them, the minority calling for rights and dignity is oppressing them. To them, anything less than domination over others is unacceptable. Unlike Yugoslavia, most minorities in America do not want to split the nation up into ethnostates. There are certainly small numbers of, for example, black separatists who want several southern states to secede so black Americans can have their own ethnostate. People have different ideas of what the country will look like when we finally tear down the USA as we know it, but very few people are advocating a post-Yugoslavia-like situation where whites get a country here, blacks get a country there, etc.

I do not think the liberals you are referring to are savvy or cunning enough to be doing what you suggest. Mainstream liberals are rarely socialist, but they are rarely closet nationalists who want to hijack leftist causes in the name of reaction. They don't put that much thought into political struggle. Many of the liberals you describe are so fixated on being polite and acceptable that they won't advocate anything too crazy nationalist.


Pay attention if you are ever watching a Republican politician talking to their base. When white conservatives fail economically, it's because they have been "left behind" or "let down by your leaders" or "forgotten by the system". Yet when other groups struggle economically, they need to "work harder" or "pull themselves up by their boot straps" or "not fall into a victim mindset". An excellent way to shut up this kind of capitalist is to point out that states that vote republican are almost all poorer on average than states filled with democrats. Maybe those capitalist patriots should work harder and stop blaming elites and immigrants? Wouldn't want to fall into that helpless victim mindset.


As I said before in this message, you need to not attribute the LGBT to the wealthy or elites or anyone besides common regular people. As I said, the elites have thrown their weight behind us queers because they can tell who is going to win, and because being tolerant of queers is a great way to seem educated and virtuous and open-minded. They are late to the party. Do not give them credit for the decades-long struggle of queers for respect and acceptance.
Plenty of us are horny. I'm not that horny, but I can understand and support someone at a pride parade loudly proclaiming their love of sex lol. This is not egotism or carnal lack of self-restraint. This is an extension of the Sexual Revolution that started in the 1960's. America's Puritan culture has caused us to be massively sexually repressed and ashamed as a country. People are flaunting their sexuality as part of the effort to erase the backwards Christianity-based hatred of all things sex. Those who advocate sexual repression and silence are much more detrimental to society than someone walking down the street talking about how much they love to suck d-cks.


It's amusing watching American nationalist propaganda from the 50s and 60s talk like this. "You're an American! You're an individual--not some member of a collective! Now think and dress and talk and act like everyone else or else you're a dangerous radical!"

Thing is, the capitalists commercialize pride month and also commercialize many holidays such as national holidays and religious holidays. Even other days that aren't holidays. Valentine's Day? Waste some $200 on average. Fourth of July? One can get $1,000 wasted on fireworks, flags, and stuff. Christmas? Make it about $1,200 on average to appease your child into believing that "Santa Claus is real" (Santa Claus is a capitalist term made to make people buy products for Christmas).

The Bosnians here can't afford that much unlike the lavish Americans can.

You act like people are forced to buy those things.

But how else can capitalism profit if it cannot conduct aggressive advertising campaigns?

Advertising does not force people to buy things.

No wonder why Nestle wants to commercialize drinking water.

"Water is not a Human Right and therefore, it should be privatized" - Nestle CEO.

Well, not quite...
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/nestl ... man-right/

It is not false though.

But it is false that he said "Water is not a Human Right and therefore, it should be privatized" as you'd quoted him as saying.
You're trying to move the goalposts to suit what you'd alleged.

You act like people are forced to buy those things.

I did not say that the quote is true. The quote is false but his intentions remain true as he said it in a different wording but the same meaning.

Some interesting and valuable things in the form of satire I see. Firstly, the "elites being obsessed with education and virtue" reminds me of the video from "After Skool" on why smart people believe stupid things. This agenda is the result of the elites manipulating the intellectual circles.

Why do we have "fat acceptance"? Do we have it for a reason to at least be less harsh on fat people but still encourage them to lose weight? Nope! They want us to keep them fat because the fast food industries wouldn't be able to make money from turning people obese, hence why "fat acceptance movements" are created to appease fast food capitalism.

Why do research studies sponsored by Nestle show that their baby formula is better than natural breastmilk? It is because Nestle wants to promote their product by bribing smart people so that a research study is more convincing then a market advertisement. But when the big riches manipulate smart people with money and force them to write studies that align with the capitalist bias, there are the smart ones who will oppose such and will fight back against. Nestle was exposed for child slavery (using cocoa imports from West Africa), discouraging women to breastfeed children (WHO recommends 6 months of breastfeeding at least to satisfy the nutrition of the newborn and that is the first 6 months of the baby's life), wanting to privatize water (Nestle's CEO said that water isn't a human right and therefore should be privatized).

Speaking of Balkanization. America won't Balkanize any time soon due to ethnic differences but it will be Balkanized due to political beliefs. While Yugoslavia went through ethnic massacres inflicted mostly by Serbs with additional damage from Croats and minor damage from extreme SDA jihadists of Bosnia, America's scenario of collapse would be that of a 1860s Civil War style fought over political beliefs. In the 1860s we had Republicans and Democrats fight over slavery and freedom while in the 2020s we're gonna have Republicans and Democrats fight over slavery and freedom but in a different and more broad sense compared to the 19th century.

You made a comparison with white nationalists being like the Serbs. Yes, in a racial sense, they are the Serbs of America who are losing the power following the rise of racial equality and things will only get worse if Project 2025 takes place and Republicans win the 2024 election with Russian assistance and China probably joining in. So the Balkanization of America is a huge issue. We have white nationalists (KKK) threatening genocide on racial minorities. We have Christian right threatening genocide on religious minorities and secularists and atheists.

Do however be aware that minorities if long enough oppressed, may become the oppressors themselves. During the Kingdom of "Yugoslavia", the oppression of Croats by the Serbs from 1918 to 1941 led to a boiling point for the Croats who resorted to extreme measures and banded themselves into a fascist organization called Ustaša led by Ante Pavelić which would serve as a Nazi puppet from 1941 to 1945 and commit crimes that even gave Wehraboos nightmares during their sleep.

The continuous persecution of the Jews around the world is what caused the creation of Israel and the state of Israel itself to become the oppressing force against Palestinians which then caused Palestinians to band with Hamas and do the October 7th against Israel only to get brutally murdered by Israel's genocidal rampage in a sense of that of how America did when the bad apple that is al-Qaeda did the September 11th on America and made America go on a long-running Islamophobia rampage.

For you see, action must be taken immediately and if we do not do something about it and get rid of the bad apples that are threatening the LGBT movement due to the oppression from the reactionaries against the LGBT, then we might see another minority become the oppressor sadly and we might see another expansion to this massive divide of the society already.