Is there any proof God exists?

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Ho hum.

More of the same irrational vilification of some Straw Man that is supposed to "prove" that a fantastic nonscience, divorced from realistic observation (science) is "true" simply because it conforms to some prejudicial ideology.

My contention all along has been that the Materialist ideology will not stand up to any scrutiny by real science using a realistic scientific method. I have only claimed that fashionable Materialism is scientifically impossible, and have given ample reason and evidence in support of that contention.

That has apparently been enough to excite Materialist ideologues into a frenzy of fantastic accusations and assertions entirely irrelevant to the matter. Just what one would expect from chronic narcissists who can delude themselves (and anyone else vulnerable) into thinking that "science" is anything that pampers their way-out-of-control ego. As I've said before, I got to hate narcissists waaay back when I was a diminutive odd-bod in the primary school playground.

I do not suffer fools and charlatans gladly but I am reluctant to leave retiring, good, honest folk to be their fodder. Goliath needn't expect any deference from me.

One of my favorite metaphorical illustrations of this issue of what humans have forgotten per subjective potential is the 'Emerald Forest', a movie from 1985. Yeah, the year after 1984, where truly many folks are living now, in a mechanical cognition leaning way of life that is collective, materialistic, and very shallow with little to no connection in flesh and blood emotional and sensory ways with other humans beings, or nature, in general.

Seriously, it's still there waiting for the taking, for those who seek, find, employ, utilize, and practice a higher INTERNAL EMOTIVE POWER OF HUMAN BEING.

Science has no real clue and the other shoe I believe to drop will have to be the internal life of human being, as science has no tool to consistently measure the internal being of human being, and OH MY GOD some folks do not even realize that stuff like faith, hope, belief, human relative free will, heart, soul, and spirit ARE ALL EMOTING POWERS OF INTERNAL EMOTION THAT ARE REAL AND CAN DO AMAZING STUFF FOR FOLKS in real life, if again, sought, found, employed, utilized and practiced as a higher Internal emotive power of human being with the kind of creative physical intelligence by way of human relative free WILL that drives emotional regulation, sensory integration, and cognitive executive functioning in focus and short term WORKING memory.

And that's just the stuff that can be named that at least some folks can relate to, in abstract constructs to their personal subjective INTERNAL emotive lives. There is so much more, as our western materialistic cultures do not have nearly the words that suffice and comprise in describing and defining the fuller potential of emoting human SUBJECTIVE INTERNAL emotional and sensory life that manifests great and amazing things in flesh and blood human reality and the nature that interacts with that flesh and blood like a 'Quantum' EFFECT AND AFFECT, IN human mind and body balance.

'We' live in a very shallow and illusory complex world of materialistic facts, figures, aims, and goals, OVERALL.

That's truly sad, as life can be so much more, if simply more fully lived with so much more potential human intelligence, in mind and body balance.

Yes; All innate, instinctual, intuitive, AND all real but without a REAL tool of science to consistently measure this subjective HUMAN Universe in relative potential of human emotions and sensory life COME ALIVE BY WAY OF HUMAN RELATIVE FREE WILL AND much greater potential intelligence, including creative physical intelligence that can be a game changer FOR human LIFE IN LIFE, escaping, potential death in life.

Watching that video causes me to think more deeply about crucifixion and the people left behind after a loved one was crucified, their traumas and experiences dealing with it. Maybe they were the first Christians?

Saint Sebastian is rumored by some to be secretely gay and that is why he was martyred.

Reminds me of the Heaven's gate cult. One believes so strongly they are willing to die.

i was referring to the bit where the bush was talking.
but indeed, this can explain the burning itself; if there is a possible non-miraculous explanation, it is intelectually dishonest to assume a miracle

When you think about it from a modern point of view, it is quite out of place and difficult to relate to. If you step into pre modern man without the psychiatric medications, therapies, and pain preventions it just looks like a way to cope with the horrors of life.

Is a tsunami of wild speculation supposed to make us all think that there are no real facts to consider?

YES, of course, facts exist BUT exploring
the internal subjective life of human being
social cognition mind in empathy, emotions,
and connections to other humans and nature
is JUST THE HOPE that 'robots become humans'.

'Machine Mind' is a terrifyingly

limited way to 'die in life'.

Been 'tHere',

done 'it', for decades;

AND I AM NOT going 'back'.

Sorry, and frankly sad,

if you HAVE never 'left'.

Words in A bible,

without a true practice of more
fuller mind and body balancing humans
are truly 'empty skeletons' of 'death

in life'.

Anyway, YES,

one can call me 'Tsunami'

if one likes, friend.

Trust me;

I get around...

I am not just a flesh and blood
human being. I am a vibrational force
that emotes a finely tuned flesh and
blood 'Temple of GOD'

AKA 'FORCE OF ENERGY'.

THE 'WATER' of my FORCE OF

ENERGY IS MUCH MUCH MORE

THAN SCRIBING FACTS OF MY INTERNAL EXTERNALLY
EXPRESSED FORCE OF EMOTING POWER THAT IS TRULY

HUMAN BEING
AT CORE
OF
ATOMIC
FORCE
OF
'QUANTUM' MIND
AND BODY
BALANCED
ENERGY,
AS THE AMAZING VIBRATIONAL
FORCE THAT CARRIES 'ME' THROUGH
THE HEAVEN OF NOW, ALWAYS NOW.

I float on terrestrial land
like a 233LB Muscular
and Emotional Powered
'Quantum' Atomic FORCE, externally
'pictured' to limited human senses,
as a 54 year old man BUT ha HA,
I am much much MORE

THAN FLESH AND BLOOD.

THAT'S ONLY THE BOOK

COVER, FRIEND,

or what one likes to

call FacTs of Words.

And those words of fACT

compared to 'THAT'

are just watered down ME

A KA T SUN AM I.

Yes, truly,
the history of Christianity,
in all its blood lust makes
the movie 'Fifty Shades of Grey'
and CHRISTIAN GREY seem tame to say the least,
in comparison, when the flesh AND BLOOD HITS the real roads of life.

And then the Protestant way of life says just believe in some words and you will be all A-OKAY!

Perhaps the most frightening aspect of being born a human being is there is going to be much illusion to come one's way in the ways of culture and religion working to take one away from one's most base of human nature.

From Female Genital Mutilation as a source of FEELING social esteem for many Muslim Women in Muslim Countries to THE HACKING OFF OF FORESKIN OF LITTLE male BABIES, AS STILL A WAY OF LIFE IN OUR Western ways of life, religious or not.

Oh, yeah, and then there's sitting HUMAN animal children STILL in chairs in front of vicarious virtual reality bright-lit screens that would only be seen as 'screams', in a truly natural way of living life like A REAL BALANCED MIND AND BODY HUMAN IN Nature's great way of moving SOCIAL animals TOTALLY AND NATURALLY FREE IN MIND AND BODY BALANCE.

But yes, humans are like sheep in this way of social animals, as they will 'blindly AND DEAFLY' do whatever it takes to fulfill the basic social animal need for social acceptance, and the result of that is more incredibly TRULY INSANE THAN WHAT ALMOST ANY OTHER SOCIAL ANIMAL WILL DO DOWN THE TRULY FALSE PATH OF CREATURE SUFFERING, MISERY, AND a potential premature death.

But if anyone thinks this is just limited to religion, and more specifically Christianity, one need look no further than 2 feet away and 4 inches to 2 feet or so of vicarious and virtual reality BRIGHT LIT screen to see the 'SCREAM' OF CRUCIFIXION OF THEIR fuller potential HUMAN BEING in ALL VICARIOUS virtual way of LIVING HELL, WITTINGLY OR NOT.

AND AS ALWAYS:

Only if 'they' KNEW
ONLY IF 'THEY' kNEW
Only IF 'tHey' kNow
and practice
the escape
'theY' CAN
JUST DO
IT
AND
BE
FREE!

BUT HA! HA! SOMETIMES IT TAKES INCREDIBLE SUFFERING
TO EVEN ESCAPE RELIGON AND CULTURE
TO SIMPLY
BE
A FREE HUMAN SOCIAL
ANIMAL
LIVING IN MIND and body
balance like the cat outside
rolling around in the sand in the mid-day
sun, or hugging the grass on a moonlit night.

Or truly sane like our so-called uncivilized savage
ancestors or the primitive folks who do still exist
dancing wildly around the fire of moonlit nights
WITH EACH OTHER CONNECTING TO EACH OTHER
IN EMOTIONAL AND SENSORY WAYS AND MOST
IMPORTANTLY CONNECTING TO THE GOD OF
NATURE ALL
NAT
U
R
ALLY
AS
IS
REAL
HUMAN SOCIAL
ANIMAL BLISS AS
LIFE
CAN
BE
OR
COULD BE, I guess,

If ONLY THEY KNEW.
IF ONLY THEY DO
JUST
IS
JUSTICE
AS IS.

THE PAIN disorder named type two Trigeminal Neuralgia
that 'causes a novocaine-less pain of one's teeth being
drilled, except for the fact that the pain was in my right
eye and ear instead, is noted in medical literature, as
the worst pain known to mankind and actually worse
than the pain of crucifixion.

I was not only blessed with this pain for 3 hours to
3 days or however long it took so-called Jesus to
die. I was blessed by the GOD of Nature to
experience this pain for waking to sleeping
for 5 whole years of literal human hell.

And guess what, all of it was worth
IT JUST TO ESCAPE THIS FRIGGING
INSANE CULTURE AND ASSOCIATED
RELIGIONS AND LIVE FREE WITH THE
GOD OF NATURE IN A HUMAN BLISS
LIKE A THOUSAND YEARS OF HEAVEN
EVERY NOW I LIVE NOW.

And that is in comparison to what a
mix of culture and religion did to
me out of my fear of not being
socially accepted into an
eventual decent into
a human literal hell
SO BAD THAT
EVERY SECOND
WAS A THOUSAND
YEARS OF TIME IN
SUFFERING FAR BEYOND
ANY IMAGINABLE BURNING
IN A IMAGINARY HELL OF MYTH
AND FALSE FAITH.

THERE is no time in real human heaven
LIVING WITH THE GREAT GOD OF NATURE.

ALL THERE IS, IS THE BLISS OF A CAT ROLLING
AROUND IN THE SAND IN THE MIDDLE OF A
SUN-LIT DAY,

OR THE CAT THAT IS
ME HUGGING THE GRASS
ON AN ENDLESS MOON-LIT
NIGHT
IN A FOREVERMORENOW
'MIDNIGHT AT THE OASIS'
OF
LIFE.



AND HELL YEAH, THAT's what I'll be doing on
my 51st RAVE DANCE WEEK WITH SCORES OF
GORGEOUS YOUNG WOMEN TONIGHT;
AND YEAH, I'LL BE
THEIR SHEIK AND
BELLY DANCER TOO;
NO LITTLE SILLY HUMAN
WORDS REQUIRED; ALL NON-
VERBAL BABY, ALL THE WAY;

NO F**KING
HOLDS
BARRED;

'CAUSE I AM FREE BABY,
WILD
AND
FREE!
i AM A
CHILD OF
NATURE
AKA GOD
SET FREE,
TOTALLY
BALANCED IN
EVERY
DAM
WAY;
OPENED
ALL UP
ALL THE
WAYS
IN
MIND
AND BODY
BALANCE;
ALL
ALIVE
AM
i
AS
I
!

Seeing all that makes me happy I am not having to endure life back then and I become aware of how much good is in my life. Why can't people see how good they really have it? Just think, you could be one of those poor unfortunates being crucified of which there were many. We see one image, Jesus, but in reality, there were thousands.

The true meaning of Christ is in those pictures. No words are needed.

It's the multitudes crying out at once, through one picture yet no one in charge would listen. So we are left with the loved ones, relatives, crying martyrs, the aftermath of horrific events.

And I just got goose bumps all over.

One has to wonder, were circumstances so awful they punctured the very fabric of existence and the wound still lingers, never healed.

It's no surprise so many Catholic prayers focus on divine mercy.

And if you really connect to what it means, that "mystery" you would insist on no more human suffering in the world, ever. You have people calling themselves Christians yet insist on the Death Penalty. The Catholics are never on the side of the side of death, so they get that part of it.
You would never lift a finger to harm another human, as in wars and what not. You cannot justify suffering and call yourself Christian. You cannot cause suffering and call yourself one. That is the true meaning because it is all to easy to slip down a slope into the realms of the cold blooded torturous events like the crucifixion when you start rationalizing and justifying violence and suffering.

The true Christian is anti war and and anti death but will engage in spiritual battles for souls.

^^^

Amen, and Facebook Like x2
on those two posts
ANA,
too..

Thanks, Aghogday.

images in the doc AspieOtaku provides are worth a million words as far as I am concerned and those words are chilling. May our souls be saved from going to such depths of despair. It isn't about judgement it's about saving ourselves from that fate.

I was being quite serious, so you should not be laughing about this. The fact remains - yes, it's a fact - that what the atheistic scientists and philosophers tend to come up with to address this vitally important issue is extremely lame, unconvincing, and requires a level of faith in the materialistic paradigm that goes well beyond the faith in Allah of the most rabid Islamic fundamentalist. Their story goes something like this:

In the beginning, there was nothing - which exploded (the proverbial 'Big Bang'). This event was a nonevent, because it apparently had no cause, came about for no reason, and without purpose, from a 'quantum vacuum'... or was it gravity, even though absent the existence of mass, there can actually be no gravity? Apparently, the 'quantum vacuum' (or gravity) is 'nothing' to these so-called scientists, even though the very definition of 'nothing' is 'no-thing, not anything at all'. Of course, they have to refer to something that is quite clearly not nothing as 'nothing', because if they admit to the blindingly obvious and say, 'Yes, gravity and quantum vacuums are not actually nothing, but something', they are then confronted with the infinite regress issue I raised before, and that inevitably leads to the destruction of their naturalistic paradigm.

No, I'm sorry, and you can laugh all you like, but I'm not so stupid as to think that this lame and moronic excuse of a creation myth has anything at all going for it. Only nothing ever comes from nothing, and to believe otherwise is to surrender oneself to irrationality, superstition and blind faith.

So, 'LOL' yourself mister!

One other thing. I don't 'deny scientific evidence', and am not someone out to defend what I already believe to be true. That's an accusation that atheists always resort to when they have nothing of substance to contribute to the debate (which is almost all the time), and the use of ad hominems (ex. 'fundie') merely reinforces my own conviction that they are actually losing - quite badly - the current 'competition of ideas' with theists who tend to come up with far better reasons for why they believe what they do than the athiests.

Atheism, as a philosophy, is on the way out. 'New Atheism' was only ever just a fad, a rather childish manifestation of the current, and aimless, drift from true rationality, common sense, and logic that has been witnessed in the West over the last 40 years, both within academia and without. All - ALL - of the current publications by the current crop of disbelievers have been disappointing, the arguments offered within their texts being (as Americans would say) 'sophomoric'.

No, I can't take people like that at all seriously, and until they 'lift their game' I can't see their non-belief in God ever appealing to anyone apart from self-deluded humanists and post-modernists.