Science vs Religion which is more correct?

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don't hold your breath.

a) We are not theoretical physicists.
b) We can only point to things like the recent CERN experiment, per the Higgs boson.

But even the CERN scientists were not quick to declare it conclusive proof of string theory - that declaration was made by the media. Such is the ultra conservative nature of science regarding proof.

That flux is part of the process and it isn't new. Fierce debates over what constitutes evidence and what that evidence means are a positive part of science. That scientists divide up into camps, with some camps shrinking as member scientists die, is a positive thing which keeps people always looking at evidence with fresh eyes. The Lamarck camp of inheritance was considered over until the emerging field of epigenetics made us take a look at that with fesh eyes.

Science is like that parable of the blind men and the elephant. The blind men are all touching an elephant and trying to figure out what it is like. One of them is touching its side and declares the elephant broad and flat, another touches its leg and declares the elephant broad and cylindrical while a third touches its trunk and says it is narrow and cylindrical. They all have part of the truth but are working with different bits of the elephant and interpreting it in different ways. As thousands more touch the elephant, a more complete picture emerges- but not without fights between the "broad and flat" camp and the "narrow and cylindrical" camp.

To continue the metaphor, religion would have you believe that they know everything about the elephant because it's obvious and self evident. But they never even touched the elephant. They just decided that it is self evident that the elephant is feathered with wings.

Science tries to figure things out and this is a fractious process with much debate. But it is debate about the actual evidence. Religion just declares something to be true. When a sufficient number of people declare something different to be true, they start their own sect or religion. But there is no discovery or investigation. There is only decision. This makes religion arbitrary so that what you believe is down to your geographic(and temporal) location and cultural milieu. There is just decision, no investigation.


That's a feature not a bug. It keeps currently immeasurable things in the realm of conjecture rather than declaring them to be self evidently true.


I don't look to science to answer religious questions. But I personally don't look to religion either. The anwers given will be based on whatever values a particular religion happens to hold dear so the only question that can really be answered is "what does this religion value?"

If you ask science "why are we here?" you get an answer that is actually just an explanation of the natural processes that led up to humans. If you ask religion "why are we here?" you get a very different answer but it will be based on what a specific religion values and to my mind, hasn't actualy answered the question other than to say 'this is what we value'. The answer might be 'so we can help each other' or ' we are God contemplating Himself' or 'so that we can worship God' or any number of other highly divergent answers. All you actually find out is what the answerer values. It's arbitrary because it's based on values, not on discoveries.

^^ Well said Janissy.

I'm sorry but finding empirical evidence for theory should not be up to theoretical scientists of any kind.
Things like evolution are supported my multiple schools of science and have literal tons of evidence in the forms of fossilized plant life and animal life. Things like string theory only have the words of over hyped scientists like Hawking.
There is a limit to what can be proven, and many times theoretical science crosses that line, and is actually accepted by a lot of people. While I love science, knowing things like the inevitable collision of the andromeda galaxy and the milky way galaxy are not at the top of my list.

I agree with nearly everything you have said, but will point out that some people will do with science what you state with religion, that: Believe they know everything about... and...Just declares something to be true. All because it is Science and Science is infallible.

The answer you give for "why are we here?" Is really the answer to "How did we get here?" if you really look at.

Science is based on values assigned to discoveries. Granted, those discoveries were tested repeatedly to determine if they were true or right.

Of the two, I would say that Science is more correct, but I wouldn't say that makes religion wrong. It may need work to remove more human bias from it, but Science experienced the same effort at removing human bias and it was difficult.



Highlighting the bolded statement, in that I agree with that, but that science and scientists are taught to still try to challenge or test the knowledge before accepting it as gospel. That fact might be ignored by some in that what is taken by Science as gospel had to go through a process to reach that point. It was not automatic.

Here's some heavy food for thought for anyone who thinks that it has to be science OR religion. Seriously, that is one of the most damaging things to happen to both science and religion throughout history - the idea that we have to choose between science and religion. And I think religious folk as well as atheists, particularly those of the anti theist stripe, are responsible for it. Anyway, here it is, and maybe it will give you second thoughts:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lecFYZHXEqY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxxFh0Kn5Tk

Then again not all atheists believe in evolution, and think it is ridiculous.

Thank you for that. I agree with just about everything this man has to say.

Thanks, two.

Finally someone, with common sense; a breath of refreshed air, those two videos are.

Science is and science always has been while religion is simply mythology and fairytales!

Man has discovered electricity fire etc while god not existing hasn't discovered anything hence god does not exist!

Hmm.. 'you keep suggesting' there is NOT an external GOD somewhere.

Well that's not GOD.

When and IF you, for metaphor, find the HIGHER power of GOD aka Nature within you, after being a nerd like me, who is a complete 5-year shut-in with 19 medically documented disorders that both science and doctors suggest have no chance of recovery, and then FIND YOU CAN press 930 LBS with your legs, 14 times slowly with hands raised in the air, AND cure ALL YOUR MALADIES, WITH JUST THE GIFT OF THE HIGHER POWER OF GOD AKA NATURE INSIDE OF YOU, COME BACK AND TELL MY THIS HIGHER POWER OF GOD DOES NOT EXIST 'CAUSE I FOR ONE CAN PROVE IT DOES, IN LIVING 87 SECONDS COLOR, and other broad-band Internet links.

Oh yeah, and then there is over 150 girls smiling brilliantly with me while I excite them in the ART of dance, and I am now considered the overall best dancer, without even having to enter a dance contest, in one of the top 100 assessed dance clubs in America, where I do just that, coming up on my 51st week in a little less than a year of doing JUST THAT, 3 to 4 hours solid, with not even a water break, at Old Seville Quarter, in Pensacola, FL.

Oh yeah, and then there is documentation of me dance walking a martial arts/ballet style of dance walk everywhere I go in public for over 3000 miles, and now over 3200 miles at the 18 month mark since the higher power of Nature aka GOD healed me from within, with absolutely no solutions from the medical community provided to me, after literally over 100 doctor's appointments in that 5 year period of shut-in illness, with them just finally saying words to the effect and affect of 'deal with it there is nothing we can do for you', in fact, don't even come back, as you are just wasting 'your' and 'our' time, as 'we' are at 'our' 'wits end' to help ya.

I for one again, here, can prove this higher power of GOD aka Nature exists, manifest in me.

And trust me, if you ever have anything close to my experience with this one TRUE GOD OF NATURE, YOU TOO, WILL HAVE A COMPLETE TURN AROUND, AND 100% TRUST AND FAITH IN THE GOD OF NATURE, AS TRULY AT CORE, I BELIEVE THAT I AM NOT THE ONLY ONE WITH THIS POTENTIAL. I FOR ONE, BELIEVE THIS TRULY 'DIVINE SPARK' OF HEALING AND AMAZING SUPERMAN like INCREDIBLE STRENGTH IS THE GIFT OF HUMAN NATURE MORE FULLY EXPRESSED AND GIFTED BY THE GOD OF NATURE.

TO NOT USE IT, IS SIMPLY TO NEVER GAIN IT OR LOSE IT..

IN JUST my very educated opinion and real LIFE EVIDENCED STUFF, PROVIDED BELOW AGAIN, FOR IRREFUTABLE EVIDENCE OF ALL I SAY HERE, for anyone new in the reading audience to this conversation, who needs some kind, any kind of inspiration, to live just one more now, of now.

If I can come back from the lowest places of human existence, I do not see why most anyone else, WHO NEVER GIVES UP THEIR human relative FREE WILL, AND THE POTENTIAL EMPOWERING PERSONAL EMOTIONS OF FAITH, HOPE, AND BELIEF; AND A SUCCESSFUL PRACTICE OF INCREASING THE ART OF PHYSICAL INTELLIGENCE IN MIND AND BODY BALANCE, REGULATING EMOTIONS, INTEGRATING SENSES, IMPROVING COGNITIVE EXECUTIVE FUNCTIONING THROUGH SHORT TERM MEMORY AND focus CANNOT DO THE SAME THING.

MEANWHILE people argue over a 3 letter word, where the essence of TRUTH in what so-called Jesus says, in the Gnostic Gospel of Thomas is irrefutably TRUE, at least in my case, evidenced as such.

http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/thomas.htm

Both Atheists and MOST so-called modern Christians are missing the FRIGGING ENTIRE POINT OF THE HIGHER POWER OF THE SO-CALLED 3 LETTER WORD THAT IS A METAPHOR FOR THE HIGHER POWER OF MOTHER NATURE TRUE.

AND THAT my friend is both amazing strength, and healing, for the end of HUMAN STRESS, MISERY, AND SUFFERING AKA THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN NOW.

MEANWHILE, PEOPLE ARE STILL STRESSED OUT, MISERABLE, AND SUFFERING, PERHAPS BECAUSE THEY JUST WANNA BE THAT WAY AND DO NOT LITERALLY WANNA SAVE THEIR LIFE, in A real way of doing JUST THAT.

GOD AKA NATURE ALLOWS THAT, WITH human RELATIVE FREE WILL, AS THE TICKET TO LITERAL HUMAN HELL IS PAVED WITH LACK OF HUMAN RELATIVE FREE WILL, AND A GARDEN OF PERSONAL EMOTIONS OF FAITH, HOPE, AND BELIEF THAT IS NOT APPROPRIATELY TENDED TO AND GROWN STRONG TO MAKE REAL LIFE HUMAN MIRACLES AND DREAMS COME TRUE.

I FOR ONE AGAIN, BELOW, CAN PROVE human DREAMS DO COME TRUE in reality as TRUTH.

The sages throughout time all have said basically the same thing to the ears and eyes of the blind and deaf to the higher powers of HUMAN life manifest from MOTHER nature TRUE AKA GOD in human nature reality FOR the potential of bliss, nirvana, AKA THE KINGDOM OF HUMAN HEAVEN NOW, WHICH AGAIN IS, SIMPLY THE ABSENCE OF HUMAN NEGATIVE STRESS, SUFFERING, MISERY, AND EVEN PREMATURE DEATH.



http://katiemiafrederick.com/2014/12/09/gods-muse-of-dance/

http://katiemiafrederick.com/2015/02/02/3000-miles-of-dance-walking-now/

Signed,

'Yoda'..

"FORCE IS GOD"
"GOD IS FORCE"
"FORCE IS YOU"
"YOU IS FORCE"

I DON'T GIVE AN F (or personal Fred) WHAT YOU CALL
IT.

I JUST WANT YOU TO BE
'SUPERMAN AND/OR SUPERWOMAN' TOO,

WHOMEVER IS READING THIS,

IT exists and I can prove IT
EXISTS as IT is mE too!

I just hope and pray that whomever you are,
you are three and more achieving and attaining
a
similar
IT OF LIFE, ALL NATURAL, ALL FREE FOR THOSE WHO
DO ACHIEVE AND ATTAIN IT, AS 'SUPERMEN or and SUPERWOMEN', THREE OR MORE...
AND 'IT' WILLING, perhaps, THOUSANDS, OR EVEN MILLIONS MORE.. IN TRUE AFFECT AND
EFFECT OF HUMAN NATURE LIFE PRACTICED WITH THE IT OF NATURE in HIGHEST OF HUMAN

POTENTIAL.

When I recovered from all those illnesses that was proof enough for me to have 100% FAITH, HOPE, BELIEF, AND TRUST in IT.

MY GOAL AFTER THAT IS TO DO SOMETHING, ANYTHING, TO SHOW FOLKS, WHAT IT CAN DO.

AND I FOR ONE, AM SUCCESSFUL IN DOING WHAT IT HELPED AND CONTINUES TO HELP ME TO DO.

AND AGAIN, FOR CRYSTAL CLEAR CLARITY, IT IS THE HIGHER POWER OF MOTHER NATURE TRUE MANIFEST
IN HUMAN NATURE REALITY.

As lady Gaga clearly states, in 'BORN THIS WAY' that I will provide
below for evidence too.

'IT DOESN'T MATTER IF YA CALL' IT
'him
or
capital
HIM',
"The M the M the M",
or the three letter pejorative GOD,
IT exiSts and IT MAKES REAL LIFE HUMAN MIRACLES
IN HIGHER HUMAN POTENTIAL COME TRUE IN REAL LIFE TOO!

AND YES, 'BABY, I WAS BORN THIS WAY', FORGET ABOUT IT, AND
AM LITERALLY AND METAPHORICALLY BORN AGAIN, AS A 'SUPERMAN'
IN REAL LIFE FASHION WITH IT INSTEAD OF AGAINST IT.

We most ALL HAVE THE POTENTIAL TO BE REAL 'SUPERSTARS'.



Any questions...

There are many things that science can't explain. There is a reason why all of science is based on theories rather than actual solid facts. 1+1=2 in all realities, at least that is what I understand. That is facctual knowledge. I work with theories as well. I work with black magic, so that means I deal with paranormal stuff. Science is catching up in this field and it is a quantum reality. What makes you choose vanilla or strawberry at the icecream shop is something science can't explain. There is an element of chaos that science can't explain until they start studying the paranormal realities. I believe religion is the paranormal aspect of things that science is adverse too. There are a few scientists trying to understand things like near death experiences in a clinical setting. Who wants to have their brain scanned while they die? Ghost hunters might know more about the reality and their techniques should really be used to study quanitum physics and other mysterious unknowns that still baffle science today.

Quantum physics isn't a place to hang your bullsht nonsense.