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14 Feb 2013, 3:53 pm

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There is no real point in watching the SOTU, nothing of value gets said. Most people are saying Rubio didn't do particularly well in his response, was real awkward reaching for a drink mid-speech. Bias but I thought Rand did pretty well especially compared to Rubio.


Despite what progressive modern liberals and neoconservatives say, Rand does have electability. His father enabled (and continues to enable) the ideology of liberty to spread among many people who weren't sure what they wanted, and now it is Rand who will play politician. The biggest obstacle is not the people, but the leviathan state and media which will try to turn the people against him.


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14 Feb 2013, 4:47 pm

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Yeah, but the bacterium doesn't develope into a human being.
That is the difference.

Why does it matter if something develops into a human being?

We also don't know that it will develop- it may be "rejected" by the mother before it develops, it may die on delivery, it might be born without a brain...
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What makes something a "human life"?


Who decides what human lives are valued?

I can't help noticing that you have dodged my question.

I would say that a conscious, self aware being is intrinsically worth valuing highly- this would include the vast majority of adult humans, even the severely mentally ret*d, in fact most humans over the age of 2, as well as many species of primates, rodents, and other mammals (I would specifically pick out horses, dogs and pigs as likely to be self aware), and probably some non-mammalian species.
That doesn't mean that other animals aren't worth valuing- a recently fertilised embryo may be valuable because it means a lot to a human, likewise a goldfish. Spiders might be valuable because they kill flies or mosquitoes. You might say that the "low level" of consciousness enjoyed by a 3 month old child or a cow is also intrinsically worth valuing.



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02 Apr 2013, 2:17 am

It really looks like the 2016 presidential race will be between Hillary Clinton and Rand Paul.



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02 Apr 2013, 8:34 am

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It really looks like the 2016 presidential race will be between Hillary Clinton and Rand Paul.


Hillary is getting on. I hope she is healthy enough to stand for office.

If we had to have a Democrat in office (and it looks like we did) I wish it had been Hillary rather than Obama is is a nasty man and will have one of the worst administrations since Jimmy Carter.

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02 Apr 2013, 12:04 pm

ruveyn wrote:
Noodlebug wrote:
It really looks like the 2016 presidential race will be between Hillary Clinton and Rand Paul.


Hillary is getting on. I hope she is healthy enough to stand for office.

If we had to have a Democrat in office (and it looks like we did) I wish it had been Hillary rather than Obama is is a nasty man and will have one of the worst administrations since Jimmy Carter.

ruveyn


Hilary Clinton will be 69 years and a couple of weeks old on election day in 2016. Ronald Reagan was 69 years and 9 months old on election day in 1980.

I don't see that age will be a factor in 2016. What will be a factor is 3 years in the political wilderness.


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02 Apr 2013, 1:11 pm

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still recovering from the 2012, elections...


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05 Aug 2013, 1:29 am

It seems to be a tie between Rand Paul and Chris Christie for the GOP nomination. It's interesting considering the war or words happening between the two.



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29 Jun 2016, 8:09 pm

Noodlebug wrote:
It really looks like the 2016 presidential race will be between Hillary Clinton and Rand Paul.

LOL