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12 Feb 2015, 7:42 pm

When you look at it from a resource standpoint, reproductive rights should be limited simply because there is too great a danger of famine and lack of water to sustain such great numbers of one species. We see what happens when a species explodes in numbers and it's always harsh. There simply isn't enough for all of them and so many of them simply starve to death.

That's what I am talking about here. Do you think a piece of paper is going to feed you when you get hungry? Is it going to give you a drink when you are thirsty? Can you bathe in it when you are infested with bacteria that causes illnesses? Money is simply not sovereign and if we continue to treat it like a resource, which is simply isn't, we will find ourselves in trouble, over and over again.



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12 Feb 2015, 7:55 pm

You are conflating two unrelated concepts: (1) Reproduction as a right, and (2) Zero-Sum Economics as applied to natural resource management.

Focus, please. Focus!


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12 Feb 2015, 8:29 pm

Well, given the first amendment: "The right to be an idiot" Well, yeah, I suppose reproducing is also a right.



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12 Feb 2015, 9:40 pm

Orangez wrote:
Jules_Bonnot_1912 wrote:
Some people think it's the purpose of life ...

It is objectively the only purpose of life as we are creatures that seek to reproduce and are not designed for happiness.

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
It's one possible outcome but it doesn't seem to be always the reason why life exists or you would see everything living able to reproduce and that's not always the case.


I believe that is a natural built in response to population without competition. It is a way for nature to assure that one species does not become too dominant over the environment.


OH GOD, I'm glad I'm not one of THOSE UNHAPPY creatures you are talking about, AS I AM ALWAYS HAPPY. :)!

Perhaps, not ALL folks are constructed in a way that makes them Happy BUT I for one, SURE AM FROM BIRTH!

And nah, I can give or take sex as my mind is capable of feelings much better than human orgasm, as MY BLISS lasts and lasts all THE TIME.

AND I AM TOTALLY FRIGGING SERIOUS.

I'M
HAPPY!
ALL THE TIME
JUST LIKE THIS..

YES.. I DO IT.. 'JUST DO IT'! LIKE THIS!



AND YES! DRUG, CAFFEINE, AND ALCOHOL FREE! TOO!

AND OTHER FOLKS
do this TOO!

I SUGGEST you choose another philosophy of life,

as HUMANS CAN AND DO CREATE THEIR REALITIES WITH THEIR PHILOSOPHIES OF LIFE, through imagination AND CREATIVITY!

PHILOSOPHY is the most important REAL life CLASS of ALL.

But SCHOOL and or work, OVERALL, does NOT give a crap whether YOU are HAPPY OR NOT, as long as YOU FIT, as COG in A machine that runs society comfortable, for robots, as is, per the real life, ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE.

And Yes, there are MANY MORE people in pop-culture who ARE fighting AGAINST A SCHOOL-AGE-RAGE ZOMBIE APOCALYPSE IN imaginative, CREATIVE OUT of the box WAYS of HAPPINESS!

AND HERE is one of my favorite references that PROVES THAT!..:)!



But I for one, cannot speak for THE CREATOR'S reproduction preferences and or likes....

I think there is a good chance 'she' likes IT.


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12 Feb 2015, 9:43 pm

And thank you philosophy Queen Ana..

Socrates asked open ended questions like this as a way to enlightenment FOR OTHERS, as well..;)

He was no lightweight.....

And neither are you..

No matter what the naysayers say.. i'm RIGHT WITH YA on it!..;)


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12 Feb 2015, 10:14 pm

Oh.. and back on topic.. of course folks of legal adult age have the right to reproduce with whomever they like of legal adult age, consensually as such, in the U.S., in almost all cases.

YES! overpopulation is a problem but Mother Nature tends to take care of that when social roles grow less and free resources grow more....

Fortunately we have other vicarious resources for the multiplying bunnies like PORN that takes away some of the action, and however much that may be a factor, teenage fertility among white folks is definitely going down, in so-called FIRST WORLD COUNTRIES WITH FIRST WORLD PROBLEMS...

But anyway speaking of problems, younger folks in Japan are losing the desire to physically hook up with the opposite sex...

And guys are using cosmetics in South Korea, approaching female usage, as social roles are growing murky, in ways of gender roles, there....too....

It does reflect John Calhoun's utopian rat study called the BEAUTIFUL ONE'S, FITTINGLY SO, per metro-sexuals and all of that too.....

And of course like other animal populations when population stresses grow, AND SOCIAL GENDER ROLES and social roles in general, BECOME MURKY so do rates of homosexual animal behavior too, and yes that IS a GREAT THING.. AS IT SAVES ON POPULATION GROWTH, OVERALL!

IN SOME more balanced primitive cultures that do exist, NOW, where the 'work of night' is reproducing from puberty, there are no words in the language for either homosexuality or masturbation.

It's hard to say at this point whether that is purely environment and or genetics BUT NEVER THE LESS, no records of masturbation and homosexuality in that culture, as is, per the language of those folks that exists....

And here is that FASCINATING RAT STUDY THAT TELLS an INTERESTING RAT TALE, PER our common rodent ancestor some 75 million years ago.. 'who' we still share the majority of social animal genetics with, human style.....

Yes, Mickey Mouse is a wise old Mouse or RAT, in reality too.....with a tale.. or tail....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_B._Calhoun

Quote:
Initially the population grew rapidly, doubling every 55 days. The population reached 620 by day 315, after which the population growth dropped markedly. The last surviving birth was on day 600. This period between day 315 and day 600 saw a breakdown in social structure and in normal social behavior. Among the aberrations in behavior were the following: expulsion of young before weaning was complete, wounding of young, inability of dominant males to maintain the defense of their territory and females, aggressive behavior of females, passivity of non-dominant males with increased attacks on each other which were not defended against. After day 600, the social breakdown continued and the population declined toward extinction. During this period females ceased to reproduce. Their male counterparts withdrew completely, never engaging in courtship or fighting. They ate, drank, slept, and groomed themselves – all solitary pursuits. Sleek, healthy coats and an absence of scars characterized these males. They were dubbed “the beautiful ones.”

The conclusions drawn from this experiment were that when all available space is taken and all social roles filled, competition and the stresses experienced by the individuals will result in a total breakdown in complex social behaviors, ultimately resulting in the demise of the population.

Calhoun saw the fate of the population of mice as a metaphor for the potential fate of man. He characterized the social breakdown as a “second death,” with reference to the “second death” mentioned in the Biblical book of Revelation 2:11 [1] His study has been cited by writers such as Bill Perkins as a warning of the dangers of the living in an "increasingly crowded and impersonal world."[2]


But anyway, Nite.. Nite.. I am off to go RAVE DANCING, with a dance hall full of 20 somethings to get EVEN MORE HAPPY!

THE REALLY smart SO-CALLED primitive folks GET THEIR happy ON THIS WAY TOO, IN TOTALLY free style dance around the rhythms of drums, moonlight, and yes, THE WORK OF NIGHT!..:);)!

NO, THIS IS not for everyone but YES! TRULY FOR THE HAPPY ONES! OF innate life, as it IS, generAlly constructed and evolved as is, without the illusory forces of a culture that CAN TAKE all THAT HAPPINESS AWAY!..

And human mind and body balance FOR BLISS TOO!..

Like a cat rolling around in the sand on a SUNLIT day.. OR hugging the grass.. under the moonlit NIGHT of graying clouds....

LIFE IS GOOD
for some at least....


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