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07 Jul 2015, 11:16 pm

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It might be a stretch to extrapolate his disdain for slavery and war and belief that "That government is best which governs least" as an endorsement of what we recognize as libertarian views today.


They went to ivy league schools and were tired of the ivy league attitude. They saw church and government as corrupt and from what we can tell, they are. The answer to this was to go hide away in the woods where you talked to animals and stared at ponds all day or whatever works for you. I went to the Grand Canyon. Problem is, it's difficult to have that transcendental experience in a parking lot so it's best to go during off season times but then it's very uncomfortable, as in, it's too cold. Campgrounds in the Grand Canyon Park can resemble parking lots during peak times. I cannot transcend in a parking lot. People always want to bring their five or six suvs with them when they go camping.


Have you read Walden?

Here's the first few lines of chapter 6, "Visitors":

Quote:
I THINK THAT I LOVE SOCIETY as much as most, and am ready enough to fasten myself like a bloodsucker for the time to any full-blooded man that comes in my way. I am naturally no hermit, but might possibly sit out the sturdiest frequenter of the bar-room, if my business called me thither.

I had three chairs in my house; one for solitude, two for friendship, three for society. When visitors came in larger and unexpected numbers there was but the third chair for them all, but they generally economized the room by standing up. It is surprising how many great men and women a small house will contain. I have had twenty-five or thirty souls, with their bodies, at once under my roof, and yet we often parted without being aware that we had come very near to one another.

I used to read the pocket sized edition, this really small Walden paperback book, to family years ago but it eventually got lost and I forgot most of it so it's been a while since I've read any of it. I get what it's about, Grizzly Adams type guy living with the animals and nature as opposed to crowded cities.



Ehh, sort of.

The two years at walden pond were Thoreau's most productive years.

Emerson agreed to let him live there if he clear some land and replant trees.

In the first year at the pond, he:

Built a house

Cleared two and a half acres of land (without earth-moving equipment)

Replanted those acres with: potatoes, corn, peas, turnips and approximately 20,000 bean plants totaling approximately 7 miles of bean rows.

Produced two drafts of "A Week on the Concord and Merrimack Rivers"

Wrote a lecture about Thomas Carlyle

Wrote a lecture titled "A History of Myself"

Did odd jobs for money including ‘surveying, carpentry and day-labor of various other kinds' -- including building a fence for Emerson. By his own estimation, he worked for money about 1 day a week.

He roughed it just a little. And he had frequent visitors, approaching daily visitors. He wasn't that far from town, and quite close to Emerson's house.

Various people lived with him at various times, including the occasional fugitive slave and at one point a friend slept on his floor for 2 weeks.

There is a lot of tongue-in-cheek humor in Thoreau's writing. And no shortage of private jokes for his close friends. You can't read any of it too literally.



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08 Jul 2015, 8:13 am

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Ehh, sort of.

The two years at walden pond were Thoreau's most productive years.

Emerson agreed to let him live there if he clear some land and replant trees.

In the first year at the pond, he:

Built a house

Cleared two and a half acres of land (without earth-moving equipment)

Replanted those acres with: potatoes, corn, peas, turnips and approximately 20,000 bean plants totaling approximately 7 miles of bean rows.

Produced two drafts of "A Week on the Concord and Merrimack Rivers"

Wrote a lecture about Thomas Carlyle

Wrote a lecture titled "A History of Myself"

Did odd jobs for money including ‘surveying, carpentry and day-labor of various other kinds' -- including building a fence for Emerson. By his own estimation, he worked for money about 1 day a week.

He roughed it just a little. And he had frequent visitors, approaching daily visitors. He wasn't that far from town, and quite close to Emerson's house.

Various people lived with him at various times, including the occasional fugitive slave and at one point a friend slept on his floor for 2 weeks.

There is a lot of tongue-in-cheek humor in Thoreau's writing. And no shortage of private jokes for his close friends. You can't read any of it too literally.



Okay...so he's a city guy who is just sorta going through the motions. That doesn't subtract from the yearning for a mystical experience that you see in some of this transcendentalist thought.



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08 Jul 2015, 12:04 pm

The house at walden pond was also described by HDT as "tight shingled and plastered" - the evidence seems to indicate that it was built in the same style as most houses in concord and was not even unusually small by the standards of most citizens of concord.

He had a reputation in town that he and his friends found humorous, so he played it up a lot in his writing.



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08 Jul 2015, 12:36 pm

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The house at walden pond was also described by HDT as "tight shingled and plastered" - the evidence seems to indicate that it was built in the same style as most houses in concord and was not even unusually small by the standards of most citizens of concord.

He had a reputation in town that he and his friends found humorous, so he played it up a lot in his writing.


He could have hammered the shingles and plastered the walls. Most folks knew how to do simple home repairs back then and it's just an extension of that. How do you know he didn't do it himself?

I suggest Community Immersions. This is where an entire community would live in small cabins without any electric or plumbing for a couple days a month just to get a feel for what life was like before modern day conveniences. It might be skill enhancing because you would use more people skills in such an environment.



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08 Jul 2015, 12:58 pm

Besides I just took a look at what the cabin supposedly looked like. No way is he going to throw a party in there. It's a little bigger than a tent as far as area is concerned although it's taller.



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08 Jul 2015, 2:55 pm

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The house at walden pond was also described by HDT as "tight shingled and plastered" - the evidence seems to indicate that it was built in the same style as most houses in concord and was not even unusually small by the standards of most citizens of concord.

He had a reputation in town that he and his friends found humorous, so he played it up a lot in his writing.


He could have hammered the shingles and plastered the walls. Most folks knew how to do simple home repairs back then and it's just an extension of that. How do you know he didn't do it himself?

I suggest Community Immersions. This is where an entire community would live in small cabins without any electric or plumbing for a couple days a month just to get a feel for what life was like before modern day conveniences. It might be skill enhancing because you would use more people skills in such an environment.



Oh we know HDT built that house himself. It was Emerson who was comically bad at carpentry.

The point was that it was not a "cabin" or shack, but a reasonably nice home by the standards at the time.



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08 Jul 2015, 2:59 pm

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Besides I just took a look at what the cabin supposedly looked like. No way is he going to throw a party in there. It's a little bigger than a tent as far as area is concerned although it's taller.


Yeah, 10'x15' single room house. With 3 chairs and 1 bed. And he himself claimed to have hosted as many as 25 guests at once.

We know that, for example, he hosted at least one meeting of the concord abolitionist women's group (their proper name escapes me at the moment).

HDT and his friends were and remain inspirational figures. I like almost all of what they had to say.

But they also had a sense of humor.



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08 Jul 2015, 4:56 pm

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ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
The house at walden pond was also described by HDT as "tight shingled and plastered" - the evidence seems to indicate that it was built in the same style as most houses in concord and was not even unusually small by the standards of most citizens of concord.

He had a reputation in town that he and his friends found humorous, so he played it up a lot in his writing.


He could have hammered the shingles and plastered the walls. Most folks knew how to do simple home repairs back then and it's just an extension of that. How do you know he didn't do it himself?

I suggest Community Immersions. This is where an entire community would live in small cabins without any electric or plumbing for a couple days a month just to get a feel for what life was like before modern day conveniences. It might be skill enhancing because you would use more people skills in such an environment.



Oh we know HDT built that house himself. It was Emerson who was comically bad at carpentry.

The point was that it was not a "cabin" or shack, but a reasonably nice home by the standards at the time.



Er....it's a one bedroom tent sized room with a small fireplace in the back for heat. It had three stools. You can't get much more basic than that. I've seen pictures of homes from the era that were much nicer.



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08 Jul 2015, 4:57 pm

Well, we have culture and science and all the 'talking heads' that tell us what human being is from the time of small childhood spoon-fed by religion, school, and culture, overall.

However the thingy is; religion, school, and culture, overall, is designed by human beings to
control large societies; so the result of survival will be order and not anarchy.

So the main tool used is a system of carrots and sticks in rewards and
punishments to ensure all goes well for the 'herd' or 'sheep' of
humans, overall; and the of course the spoils of riches
goes to those with the greatest powers in control
over others, per pastors, politicians,
and male heads of households
in patriarchal religions and
or cultures.

Transcendentalism in a Muslim
culture could be a female
taking a walk
without a
proper male
relative escort as
simply being free in nature.

Some women there long for
that opportunity for
decades before
finally being
set free
in another
country;
and truly
it is a transcendent
experience for them
to finally become free
like this; in nature.

For me it is dancing wild and free
in Super-Walmart and all other
places in public now for over
3800 miles in 22 months;
as well as all nude renaissance
male selfie art; that a free country
in freedom of expression in the U.S.;
allows on Google restricted adult blogs;
unthinkable for a male to do this in Muslim
cultures; and unthinkable for a male to do this
almost anywhere in the culture I live in; and particularly
at 55 years of age; when most males are sitting on mall
benches watching NFL or whatever sport season is now..

But of course, there is much much more; we humans have incredible
potential in innate instinct and intuition that the 'white noise' of culture
blocks out with all its guidance and so-called abstract language and
other collective recorded intelligence 'knowledge', in standard
IQ ways of human intelligence; but no, there is much much
more that most human being never touch in human intelligence
potential; like the ability to move on terrestrial land, almost
all muscle, like me, at 230LBS; like a feather floating
without any gravitational substantial restraint.

Or the ability to dance a free style of martial
arts and ballet dance without ever a frigging
lesson; compared to schooled Kung Fu experts
as well as ballet class ballerina's in fine
style of dance class tests.

No lessons for me; all innate instinctual
driven intuition from the spirit
of human evolved that lives
in human archetypes
in subconscious
mind more
fully realized
in mind and body balance
in the greater human physical
intelligences that regulate emotions;
integrate senses; and increase focus
and short term working memory in
cognitive executive functioning through
ART OF LIVING THROUGH ALL INNATE
INSTINCT AND INTUITION;
INSTEAD OF SCHOOL
OF HUMAN BEING
SPOON-FED FROM
ALMOST BIRTH
with whatever the
Hell the culture
at hand feels
should be the
human in flesh
and mind restrictions
in whatever way suits
the social-norm
of the moment.

Yogi Monks can control their bodily
temperatures; as science documents,
by steaming heat off clothing robes
in icy waters; and controlling brain
waves; and yes I can do the similar
with no lessons; documented as such.

Yes, bio-feedback comes first in challenge
of environment; but relative free will comes
next in control of autonomic function as well
as incredible feats of physical strength, agility,
balance; and overall excellent skills in proprioception.

Meanwhile most humans sit behind some kind of machine
most of the day and night slave to the whims of technology
and the society and or religion at hand; Yes, life overall is
prison to most folks now; but the saddest thing of all
is overall, 'they' have forgotten what human being
even is; and how to be a human being
more fully expressed. Other
animals transcend this
easily; as they do
not fall into
the trap
of culture
in the first
frigging place.

Transcendance is reality.
No different than the Matrix
movie trilogy, really; and yes,
for all practical intents and
purposes I am one of relatively
few REAL NEOS LEFT IN A WORLD
that is increasingly becoming machine-
like in human potential rather than excellence
in what a human being can really do; with all
innate instinct and intuition set free alive, NOW;
escaping 'the matrix'; with other folks begging politely;
'can I have some of the drugs you are on'; when one
frigging earns it through all innate instinct and intuition
finAlly
once again;
as human BEING.

Transcendance is only real
for folks who transcend;
it might as well be
supernatural bunk
for everyone else;
but never the less
IT IS REAL; AND I FOR
ONE DOCUMENT THE
EMPIRICAL EVIDENCE
OF IT EVERYDAY IN
only a case-study basis
of course; as who knows
how few are left to even
attempt to do this.
I for
one,
AM;
And
'JUST
Do IT'..:)

There is so much more
in life than just
words and
things.
Again, I for
one, PROVE THAT;
EVERYDAY OF NOW
IN Transcendance
like a 'Superman'
floating
ON Terrestrial
Land or
in SUPER-WALMART..:)


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08 Jul 2015, 11:06 pm

ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
ooOoOoOAnaOoOoOoo wrote:
blauSamstag wrote:
The house at walden pond was also described by HDT as "tight shingled and plastered" - the evidence seems to indicate that it was built in the same style as most houses in concord and was not even unusually small by the standards of most citizens of concord.

He had a reputation in town that he and his friends found humorous, so he played it up a lot in his writing.


He could have hammered the shingles and plastered the walls. Most folks knew how to do simple home repairs back then and it's just an extension of that. How do you know he didn't do it himself?

I suggest Community Immersions. This is where an entire community would live in small cabins without any electric or plumbing for a couple days a month just to get a feel for what life was like before modern day conveniences. It might be skill enhancing because you would use more people skills in such an environment.



Oh we know HDT built that house himself. It was Emerson who was comically bad at carpentry.

The point was that it was not a "cabin" or shack, but a reasonably nice home by the standards at the time.



Er....it's a one bedroom tent sized room with a small fireplace in the back for heat. It had three stools. You can't get much more basic than that. I've seen pictures of homes from the era that were much nicer.


There were much nicer homes, yes. Emerson's house was nicer, too.

But historians believe it would not have been out of place in most neighborhoods in Concord at the time.



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The Unitarian Universalists are indebted to New England Transcendentalism


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09 Jul 2015, 9:55 am

Perhaps, the greatest modern example of human transcendence
away from modern mechanical cognition life is Rave Dancing.

Our ancestors did the similar with use of substances equivalent
to modern day Molly and yes some do still use associated substances
to enhance the experience of rave dance today; but no; NO mind altering drugs
necessary to lose oneself in the ancestral dance of life; where the tribe becomes
whole again; one skin of life where hundreds
of people can vibrate together
in ONE FORCE of humanity alive.

Sadly enough this is beyond the eyes of most 'older folks';
and in this case older folks can mean folks as young as 25 or so;
as most folks after college education
or on embarking
on a first job after high school;
leave play out of their life except for
video games and bi-annual vacations;
but NO; that is not enough
for a healthy human mind
and body in balance
and NO; a treadmill
or an elliptical
machine is
not enough
at the local gym.

The emotions and senses are located throughout the body;
and to become stagnant or even move in robotic ways of walking on sidewalks,
treadmills, or elliptical machines to so-called counteract the effect of gravity
are just a rat on a treadmill attempting to escape the insanity
imposed by culture on freedom of mind and body balance.

This is no problem for little children in the aisles of Super-Walmart;
as they dance freely in imagination and creativity without any lessons
until the real problem of culture and their parents tell them QUIET HANDS
AND FEET WITH NO SONG OF JOY NOW, JOHNNY OR SALLY.

TRULY IT IS A modern and earlier modern version of
ONE FLEW OVER THE CUCKOO NEXT WHERE WE ARE JACK
Nicholson and the overall culture
and religion as whole IS
NURSE RATCHED.

It starts at a very young age; in cultural
indoctrination to the HELL of sidewalks in life;
where humans become progressively
restricted in desks at school;
now without
even the opportunity for
recess for 30 minutes
or so in secondary school.

The fact is HUMANS ARE ANIMALS.

THE FACT IS animals move creatively to survive

THE FACT IS culture and religion attempts to make
humans into slaves AS robots as nicely fitting cogs
of machines IN society to comfort everyone with
remote controls of life; as well as all
one can eat sugar and fats.

THE FACT IS there is no escaping nature as
human is graced with human nature;
but FOR human suffering and
misery for those
who lose
their
human being nature;
as just another animal
of NATURE AS WHOLE.

The price of freedom
IS FREE;
THE COST OF FREEDOM
IS Tough Unconditional
Love of what we humans
are innately, instinctually
and intuitively gifted with
from birth, as just another
free animal foraging for
existence
or
NOT.

BUT I, as I go out and
Rave dance tonight;
and let the feminine
and masculine and
warrior and graceful
spirit flow all through
my mind and body
in balance as
the acclaimed
leader of dance
among several
hundred college
age folks; I have
the simple message
for them at age 55
that life will never
ever get any better
than
this;
connecting
free flowing
with emotions
and senses; totAlly
open; including those
parts in the middle; YES,
prickly electrifying
receptors of
senses and
emotions
from head
to
toe.

Only if someone could
have explained it to me; then;
like this; I would have never
stopped going at age 30 to
dance with the wild ones;
and back then I would not
have been afraid to raise
my arms and hands
freely above my
head in fear
of being
judged
as
queer.

Truly free is experiencing it all;
experiencing all human can naturally
be without fear of judgement from
others still
trapped
on
sidewalks
of life.

I revolve around the soUl
of my existence spiraling
freely in spiRit of golden
mean PHI of 1.618;
heArt released totAlly
in emotional regulation
and sensory integration.

Life becomes magicK;
and the naysayers
sit on the
sidewalks
of life with
a dour
look
on their
face in the
Aisles of
Super-walmart;
and online words
without
any
life.

All this usuAlly means nothing
to an unenlightened person;
that's terrifying to me now;
from my perspective
now; not for me;
but for those
who never
transcend
what truly
is a dimension
of human reality
that is the REAL HELL NOW;
YES; THIS EARTH PLANE IS
BOTH HEAVEN AND HELL;
SOME OF US LIVE
IN
THE OTHER
PLACE;
THANKS
GOD..:)

People
in Hell
usually
see people
in heaven as
BIZARRE;
AND the folks
in heaven lend
a helping hand
and or foot;
usually
reciprocAlly
DISmissed;
in the aisles
of human
HELL..:(

But then there is the
REAL MOLLY; and
I am the blonde
male 55 year
old version of
hEr; HAHA!
LIFE IS AMAZING
FOR SOME OF US;
ALWAYS
NOW..:)

55 YEAR OLD
'Male Molly' is coming
to dance again tonight
on Thursday Night;
for the 66th week
at Old Seville Quarter;
Pensacola FL; rated
as one of the top
100 dance clubs
in America;
and rising
higher
with
my
ways
of FREEST DANCE
IN TRANSCENDING
THE MODERN WAY
OF
HELL.

AT 230LBS and moving
like a feather mastering
air on the dance floor;
I for one am
NOT HARD
TO FIND..:)

AND THAT'S MY
ALL ENCOMPASSING
SPECIAL INTEREST;
IN A NUT
ShELL
OF
HEAVEnOW..:)


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09 Jul 2015, 10:11 am

Yeah no, the transcendentalists produced philosophical writings that were the result of real work.

It started with meditation and reflection, but required hours, days, even years to bring to fruition.

Session after session of writing, re-reading, re-thinking, and re-writing.

I have never met a raver who had anything interesting to say about music, despite it's obvious influence on their lifestyle.



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09 Jul 2015, 10:55 am

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There were much nicer homes, yes. Emerson's house was nicer, too.

But historians believe it would not have been out of place in most neighborhoods in Concord at the time.


I don't see how it can be any more simpler than it was built. Should he have left the shingles off? If he knew how to insulate with shingles why shouldn't he? It would mean not freezing in winter or leaking in the rain. If he knew how to plaster to make the walls look better inside then why not? I guess you wanted him to live in a life sized crate to prove he was true but I see that house as being quite simple even if there were other simple houses in the vicinity. He was glorifying their simplicity by emulating them instead of a larger, twenty room mansion.



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09 Jul 2015, 11:05 am

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Yeah no, the transcendentalists produced philosophical writings that were the result of real work.

It started with meditation and reflection, but required hours, days, even years to bring to fruition.

Session after session of writing, re-reading, re-thinking, and re-writing.

I have never met a raver who had anything interesting to say about music, despite it's obvious influence on their lifestyle.



It's the spirit of transcendence, not the way one reaches the transcendental state. For some it's through dance, others through hard work. A lot of times people are not aware of the spiritual aspect so they do not sit down later and write papers on the experience. Awareness is not always common.



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blauSamstag wrote:
Yeah no, the transcendentalists produced philosophical writings that were the result of real work.

It started with meditation and reflection, but required hours, days, even years to bring to fruition.

Session after session of writing, re-reading, re-thinking, and re-writing.

I have never met a raver who had anything interesting to say about music, despite it's obvious influence on their lifestyle.


If One 'thinks' "IT"
is about words;

One misses
the ENTIRE
REALiTY
of human
transcendence.

And there is balance to
all stuff in life required for
healthy well being mind
and body balancing
life; i am always
in control;
i am the wave
and rave the
rave and
wave
does not
control me;
for one..:)

But yes; that
takes decades of
tireless continually
inspiring
practice, practice
practice; all innately
instinctually and Intuitively
ALIVE as HUMAN WELL BEING..:)

BUT YES, I can relate as I too
once am stuck in thoughts
of head; truly the illusion
is thoughts; and the
reality is human
emotions and
senses.

The lesson
all animals intuitively
understand without
ever a human lesson.
Humans are the outliers,
overall, in a world of Hell.

But as science shows in the
world of Asperger's syndrome;
approximately 50% of folks
with this syndrome have
symptoms of non-verbal
Learning disorder; and what
this entails is certainly a
disability in the ways
of movement in
spirit of human
heart expressing
one's soul.
Additionally,
some folks with
Non-Verbal
learning
disorder
have lesions
on the right hemisphere
of the brain; making visual
imagery of the world and
non-verbal language,
including even recognizing
faces of loved ones;
almost impossible;
Life is not fair;
at least not in
one life; and
there may be
no answer for that;
along with little children
that science now shows;
IF they are NOT properly
nurtured in the first two years
of life will never ever have the capacity
to FEEL THE FULL HUMAN CONNECTION
IN WAYS OF AFFECTIVE EMPATHY AND
ASSOCIATED EMOTIONAL CONTAGION
FROM mirror neuron ways to
OXYTOCIN BONDING CONNECTIONS
FROM GUT TO BOTTOM
OF FEET WHERE THE
RECEPTORS FOR THAT
are located.
The MIND AND
BODY balance simply
never gets wired for IT;
and the result of that can
range from addictions to
fill the void of a soul that
is never felt; to crime;
to mental illness;
to a full range
of human misery;
AND SUFFERING.

YES, THE
'REFRIGERATOR
PARENTS' THINGY
IS A REAL DEAL;
now as assessed
by SCIENCE; no
matter how politically
incorrect it is to make
that scientific FACT
KNOWN NOW.

I was loved dearly
as a child by a totally
unconditionally loving
mother; gaining full trust
in the world; I have never
needed addictions like
alcohol, cigarettes, video
games or
other drugs
to escape
an empty heart, soul,
and lack of expressing
human spirit as such;
but yes, chronic stress
and catastrophic illness
takes that away for five long
years; dance brings it back
and of course the number
one requirement assessed
by science for happiness;
flesh and blood connection;
but that is meaningless for
those who can only think
it and never
FEEL IT.

And to be crystal
clear that IS
NOT personally
directed at 'you'
as individual
as words
on the
Interent
never tell
a full tale
of human being..:)


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