The problem of SJWs
09 Jul 2016, 12:42 pm
I think where the so-called SJWs go wrong is when they try to shut down the mere civilized discussion of dissenting views and dark realities of modern society in places other than forums and blogs that are allowed to set their own rules on these matters, and especially in places like universities where the problems of society ought to be discussed and debated freely. They also ought to anticipate that a lot of people are going to be repelled by their strong language (e.g., rape culture) and, outside of those protected forums and blogs which they set up specifically so they can share frustrations with those who deal with similar issues in life, would do well to not automatically assume the worst of the person as a result of that. Authoritarianism on either end of the political spectrum often goes too far.
I agree it's not limited to laws, but the whole idea of systemic or institutional racism is that it's actually built into a formal political or social institution. Otherwise it's not institutional. So things like creative choices in entertainment, cultural expectations, stereotypes etc. are not examples of institutional racism. Those are examples of individual sensibilities, or the ideas of informal groups. Some of those things can still be harmful, certainly, but they are not institutional problems. They cannot be legislated away.
Even in the case of effects that remain from past systemic racism, those cannot be accurately described as institutional problems themselves. We have to focus on the future, on solutions, instead of focusing on the past. The problem of institutional racism has been solved, so the next step should be to address the problems with poverty, crime and the criminal justice system, education etc. But the SJWs want to keep bringing up the boogeyman of institutional racism, so it's no wonder progress is not being made.
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09 Jul 2016, 12:59 pm
SJW = cultural Marxists
Most are just stupid 'overpriviliged' university children being charged up by the vast departments of useless gender and racial studies all around this country as well spilling over into other academic disciplines as well including real ones of value. Either that or it's an identity one takes upon themselves online much in the same note as regular trolls, people are antisocial in the extreme now and this how they interact with each other online and it makes them feel good about themselves to elevate themselves morally over others and to bring the fight against their supposed 'enemies'.
A good example of this was this shooting in Dallas, I was watching the news the next day about the protests in where ever city being asked their thoughts about the murder of the 5 officers and the white kids more or less said that the cops had it coming whereas the black people actually from that community thought it was awful and some even left the protests because of that. The whites at these protests are usually the biggest **** stirrers because they come with an agenda rather than from the grieving community.
We're living in a age where we everyone has HD cameras in their pocket capable of streaming live to the world, our society just hasn't caught up to that. What once was in the dark now can be broadcasted to the entire world, this can be a very good and a very bad since I believe it tends to amplify the significance of these single incidences.
There are real issues with policing in this country but more than anything there are problems with the law particularly when it comes to drugs and as well as the every increasing militarization of our police.
09 Jul 2016, 1:14 pm
I used to think "cultural Marxist" was not necessarily an accurate term for SJWs, until I started really researching the kinds of things they believe.
And as if that wasn't enough, here they are chanting lines straight out of the Communist Manifesto:
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09 Jul 2016, 3:06 pm
I can see that. Good observation.
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09 Jul 2016, 4:02 pm
Austin police chief slams the lieutenant governor of Texas for placing the blame for the Dallas shootings on Black Lives Matter:
http://video.statesman.com/Shame-on-him ... stId=15517
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09 Jul 2016, 4:16 pm
Yes, I have a visceral dislike for SJW-type notions.
That is the origin of their belief system, look it up. They are useful idiots and not exactly deep thinkers, if it emotionally feels right then it can't be wrong in their minds.
10 Jul 2016, 5:22 am
http://www.inquisitr.com/3290595/facebo ... es-matter/
When you're getting endorsed by Facebook and Google, that's power. That's influence. That's a big f*****g problem. I saw this sign here:
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/201 ... of-protest
BLM just can't help it can they. Top section great. Middle section, sure. Bottom section. YOU'RE EITHER WITH US OR YOU'RE AGAINST US. Pretty much the hallmark of the SJW.
10 Jul 2016, 11:13 pm
Anyone hear about BLM halting a gay pride parade and bullying them into submission?
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la ... story.html
This is EXACTLY what I'm talking about. SJW groups like BLM are going to cause the social justice movement to eat itself alive. Even the people who are surely on their side are being labeled as oppressors. But the only group I see oppressing anyone here is Black Lives Matter.
When will people start being rational and realize that this is a very big problem? It doesn't matter if they're advocating black rights, they're doing it by bullying everyone, including the people who agree with them. It's f****d up, and people need to stop defending them.
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11 Jul 2016, 6:25 am
Yup. And plenty of them celebrating and glorifying the police murders.
There's a petition to have the White House recognise BLM as a domestic terrorist group:
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petiti ... ganization
It's closing in on the necessary 100,000 signatures to get a response from the white house.
I don't think we're quite there yet with BLM, but they're certainly happy to use force and intimidation to get their way, indeed, I see that as their primary method of advancing their cause. Even their protests typically set up shop somewhere disruptive. Somewhere in your face. And they're so aggressive. I'm not ready to call them domestic terrorists yet, but I'm certainly ready to call them extremists. And it certainly wouldn't surprise me if they become worthy of the domestic terrorist label in time as they're getting stronger and bolder all the time.
11 Jul 2016, 1:22 pm
SJWs are what the Marxists/Socialists/Communists refer to as "useful idiots."
We've raised a generation of entitlement-minded "special snowflakes" who think it is their job to "save the world."
They are naive children in a world full of savvy manipulators looking for a willing army to exploit for their own agendas.
By the time they realize how badly they are being exploited, the damage (to both themselves and society) will already have been done.
11 Jul 2016, 1:29 pm
The so-called white schools tend to have students who perform much better than black/Hispanic schools. It's not completely the fault of the students who attend those schools.
Conditions for non-white people on the whole, are much better than they were in the 1950's. However, much work needs to be done. By both the society and by the members of the minority groups.
I agree that Political Correctness frequently goes too far. However, in my life, where I encounter many female lawyers/judges, I don't encounter too many SJW-type opinions. The people who are Feminists have had their Feminism tempered by life experience. They might have held SJW-type opinions in college/university but, under the influence of life experience, these opinions have been modified, for the most part.
That's not systemic racism. There's nothing in the system that prevents black people from going to better schools or moving to better neighborhoods. Therefore, the reason for the disparities must be something other than systemic racism.
I've already acknowledged these disparities still exist, and pointed out that assuming all of it is just from systemic racism is a massive oversimplification of the real problems, which are complicated.
And as far as what you've shared about who you've personally encountered, that's anecdotal. You are one person, so unless you've met everyone in America, you can't say you know the extent of the problem based on your own experience.
I agree that systemic racism has been eliminated, for the most part. So what? That was fairly recently. Do you think you can keep your foot on a flower for 400 years, and then when you remove that foot it will spring to life as if no one had ever stepped on it? Slavery, followed by Jim Crow laws, followed by mass migration, followed by redlining which created the ghettos. Then, in the 70's, redlining, the last bit of systemic racism, is removed, and you think that means a completely even playing field has been created?
What do you want? Improvement, or to complain throughout eternity? When the slaves were freed they were 100% in poverty. Now? It's 25 percent. 75% of African Americans have risen above the poverty line, with no help from the Jim Crow crowd or the redliners. Poor people are expensive and disruptive. Anyone with any sense would want to help them achieve self sufficiency. The fact that we don't know how to do it doesn't mean it isn't worth trying. Why disparage those who try? Of course they'll fail before they succeed. Name me a human endeavor which didn't fail before it succeeded. A rocket crashes and you want to junk the space program? A "never say try" attitude didn't build this country or anything else in this world. Why demean those who try to solve a problem, unless you hate African Americans and want them to continue to fail?
11 Jul 2016, 8:05 pm
The so-called white schools tend to have students who perform much better than black/Hispanic schools. It's not completely the fault of the students who attend those schools.
Conditions for non-white people on the whole, are much better than they were in the 1950's. However, much work needs to be done. By both the society and by the members of the minority groups.
I agree that Political Correctness frequently goes too far. However, in my life, where I encounter many female lawyers/judges, I don't encounter too many SJW-type opinions. The people who are Feminists have had their Feminism tempered by life experience. They might have held SJW-type opinions in college/university but, under the influence of life experience, these opinions have been modified, for the most part.
That's not systemic racism. There's nothing in the system that prevents black people from going to better schools or moving to better neighborhoods. Therefore, the reason for the disparities must be something other than systemic racism.
I've already acknowledged these disparities still exist, and pointed out that assuming all of it is just from systemic racism is a massive oversimplification of the real problems, which are complicated.
And as far as what you've shared about who you've personally encountered, that's anecdotal. You are one person, so unless you've met everyone in America, you can't say you know the extent of the problem based on your own experience.
I agree that systemic racism has been eliminated, for the most part. So what? That was fairly recently. Do you think you can keep your foot on a flower for 400 years, and then when you remove that foot it will spring to life as if no one had ever stepped on it? Slavery, followed by Jim Crow laws, followed by mass migration, followed by redlining which created the ghettos. Then, in the 70's, redlining, the last bit of systemic racism, is removed, and you think that means a completely even playing field has been created?
What do you want? Improvement, or to complain throughout eternity? When the slaves were freed they were 100% in poverty. Now? It's 25 percent. 75% of African Americans have risen above the poverty line, with no help from the Jim Crow crowd or the redliners. Poor people are expensive and disruptive. Anyone with any sense would want to help them achieve self sufficiency. The fact that we don't know how to do it doesn't mean it isn't worth trying. Why disparage those who try? Of course they'll fail before they succeed. Name me a human endeavor which didn't fail before it succeeded. A rocket crashes and you want to junk the space program? A "never say try" attitude didn't build this country or anything else in this world. Why demean those who try to solve a problem, unless you hate African Americans and want them to continue to fail?
I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that I don't want improvement. All I'm saying is, the way to improve is not to try to eliminate something which has already been eliminated. I'm not saying don't do anything to help the black community. But in an SJW's mind, systemic racism is still very widespread, and black people are constantly being oppressed by white people. It's a complete lie.
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