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13 Feb 2015, 6:50 am

Down here in Alabama we say Indian. Many times we simply say the tribe, like Cherokee or Choctaw or Creek. Almost everybody who is born in Alabama and has family here for several generations is part Indian. It's a huge part of the culture here and we have tribes, exhibitions, arts and crafts, and even an Indian burial ground that schools go on field trips to. Everybody here seems to know which tribe they are and how much Indian blood they have. When we say Indian down here most people know what we mean, and when we mean someone from India we simply say "A guy from India" or "a foreign lady Indian". American Indian is the default Indian in our vernacular. We still have many school mascots that are Indians and I've yet to see anyone be offended or crying their little eyes out over that. I've actually seen kids say that they should get to wear the mascot costume at the ball games because they have more Indian blood than the particular cheerleader who has been wearing it. It's about talent, not amount of Indian blood though, so that never works.

At my kids school, which has the mascot of an Indian and the name of a particular tribe, they have an 8 foot tall Indian statue dressed like a Plains Indian in the entranceway of the school. There are tomahawks painted on the parking lot and on school themed items. Many people in this county are that type of Indian, but the biggest group in Alabama is Cherokee. I'm actually in a Cherokee tribe and I have a roll number from the government. So does my oldest son. I need to get my other kids signed up for it as well. A lady I used to know worked for the Bureau of Indian Affairs and said it was important to sign up for that so when your kids were older they could get scholarships. Thats honestly why most people signed up. They do go to the "pow wow's" and learn the crafts and such, but mainly the gatherings have nothing to do with Indian stuff. It's usually just the same people who show up at the tribal land and spend the weekend in the cabins hanging out, listening to football or Nascar on the radio and portable TV's and cooking BBQ or fishing and just kicking back.

Even though to the govt I'm Indian, I identify as Italian. I'm half Italian but only 1/8 Cherokee. You can be in a tribe and have a roll number up to 1/32. Also, because of how things used to be in the South, where lots of times Indians didn't have birth certificates and many people were ashamed of Indian heritage until around the 60's it's common for it not to be documented. We don't have to have documentation down here, at least my generation doesn't. There isn't anything anywhere on anything that states my grandfather's mother was full blood Cherokee, but everybody in the family knew it, there are old pictures that are obvious, stories about her and her family etc. My grandfathers sisters denied it to the day they died, but that's because it was considered mixed race to be part Indian and they were born and raised during a time where if you were anything other than full blood white, you were "less than". That started changing in the 60's.

I have a roll number from the gov't and the term Indian doesn't bother me, so I'm certainly not going to listen to somebody else define what I should be offended by. Also, the term dago, guido, guidette, guinea, nor wop offend me.My younger son even tells people that he's a guido, because he really is. You rarely see a blonde one, but he's got the olive skin and dark brown eyes, and he's tall unlike a lot of Italians, but he's very much a stereotypical guido about his clothes and belongings and such. He's not a douchebag guido though, there is a difference. His gf is mostly German and really wishes she was one of those guidettes but he has told her that if he wanted a trashy gf he wouldn't be with her, and guidettes from Jersey Shore, which is where she gets her ideas, are the definition of trashy sluts, so he's glad she isn't one.

Maybe I have a thicker skin than some or maybe I realize that slang isn't insulting and it's not the same as a slur. I've met so many people who use slang about ethnicities that it's not funny. One of my good friends is Romany. That's Gypsy. Many of the PC whiners nowdays will tell you not to dare say Gypsy because that's an insult. He says it's not. His family is very, very ethnic. They are the kind of Rom who follow the purity laws very strictly. They even have sheets on the furniture that gadje might sit on and don't let outsiders use their china and silver, and they use the word Gypsy, not Romany to identify what ethnicity they are.

I just don't see what the big hoopla is about finding everything except textbook labels to be demeaning and insulting. I think it's a form of oversensitivity.


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13 Feb 2015, 9:07 am

LOL...it's funny to hear an Alabaman use "guido."

I've only heard it used in Brooklyn!

And I've never heard it until I was in my 20s--and I've known quite a few Italians.

I once had a girlfriend who had considerable Indian blood--and she looked the part. She insisted on being called "Indian."



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13 Feb 2015, 9:16 am

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Even though to the govt I'm Indian, I identify as Italian. I'm half Italian but only 1/8 Cherokee. You can be in a tribe and have a roll number up to 1/32. Also, because of how things used to be in the South, where lots of times Indians didn't have birth certificates and many people were ashamed of Indian heritage until around the 60's it's common for it not to be documented. We don't have to have documentation down here, at least my generation doesn't. There isn't anything anywhere on anything that states my grandfather's mother was full blood Cherokee, but everybody in the family knew it, there are old pictures that are obvious, stories about her and her family etc. My grandfathers sisters denied it to the day they died, but that's because it was considered mixed race to be part Indian and they were born and raised during a time where if you were anything other than full blood white, you were "less than". That started changing in the 60's.


I didn't know you could get a roll number up to 1/32. Good to know! I am 1/8 Wampanoag, but didn't learn this until this past Thanksgiving! (I knew I was Wampanoag, but not that my maternal great-grandmother was full-blooded.) No one would EVER guess. I am blonde and blue-eyed. My Scandinavian heritage from my dad's side comes through a lot more.

How does one even get a roll number? My mother's family never made a big deal about this part of our heritage, so I am in no way connected to the tribe.



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13 Feb 2015, 9:23 am

I used to work with somebody about 20 years ago who was part Wampanoag.



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13 Feb 2015, 11:02 am

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Even though to the govt I'm Indian, I identify as Italian. I'm half Italian but only 1/8 Cherokee. You can be in a tribe and have a roll number up to 1/32. Also, because of how things used to be in the South, where lots of times Indians didn't have birth certificates and many people were ashamed of Indian heritage until around the 60's it's common for it not to be documented. We don't have to have documentation down here, at least my generation doesn't. There isn't anything anywhere on anything that states my grandfather's mother was full blood Cherokee, but everybody in the family knew it, there are old pictures that are obvious, stories about her and her family etc. My grandfathers sisters denied it to the day they died, but that's because it was considered mixed race to be part Indian and they were born and raised during a time where if you were anything other than full blood white, you were "less than". That started changing in the 60's.


I didn't know you could get a roll number up to 1/32. Good to know! I am 1/8 Wampanoag, but didn't learn this until this past Thanksgiving! (I knew I was Wampanoag, but not that my maternal great-grandmother was full-blooded.) No one would EVER guess. I am blonde and blue-eyed. My Scandinavian heritage from my dad's side comes through a lot more.

How does one even get a roll number? My mother's family never made a big deal about this part of our heritage, so I am in no way connected to the tribe.


This was 25 years ago when I got mine, but I filled out a lot of paperwork when I joined the tribe. It cost $25 to join the tribe back then but that was only for the tribe. They sent in the paperwork to the BIA and I was sent a roll card. It may be different now though. The fact that I got myself and my son registered means that I can get the rest of my kids registered as well still. They may have changed the rules for first registering but since they have a record of me, they will be able to add my children without anything more than their birth certificate, even though all the birth certificates say "white".

I'd look online for a local tribe that is federally recognized and then talk to them. Start there. Also look around at some of the benefits you can get as well. I did it for the scholarships for my kids, but so far my daughter hasn't found one that she wanted to apply for. Many have restrictions and majors they will pay for only. My younger daughter will look around as well with her school counselor.


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13 Feb 2015, 11:05 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
LOL...it's funny to hear an Alabaman use "guido."

I've only heard it used in Brooklyn!

And I've never heard it until I was in my 20s--and I've known quite a few Italians.

I once had a girlfriend who had considerable Indian blood--and she looked the part. She insisted on being called "Indian."



Well, I'm just waiting for somebody with no Italian blood at all to chime in on the thread and tell me how offensive I am to all the Italian people by not being upset by the word guido, etc. That is of course, if someone doesn't speak up first and tell me how offensive I am to Indians by saying that word too. It's a lot like how the feminists want to make sure I'm sufficiently offended by whatever they think is wrong to say about or to women.


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13 Feb 2015, 11:08 am

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13 Feb 2015, 11:10 am

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I avoid any terminology that implies an "original" or "initial" status of any humans in North America. Before our current American Indians, there was the Kennewick Man about 9,000 years ago. Before the Kennewick Man, were the Paleo-Indian Clovis humans about 13,000 years ago. Before the Clovis, there were the Paisley Cave humans about 14,000 years ago. So, who gets the "first human" status in North America? Can anyone really link the Paleo-Indian migration out of Beringia with the American Indians of recent centuries?

The same is true with any other continent. "Indians" can refer to individuals from India (who lived there for 45,000 years before migrating to central Asia and, 10,000 years later, to Alaska before migrating to the Americas 3,000 years after that), of course, as well as those from the East Indies or the Americas. That is large constituency to square with the histories of migration. So, why not use the generic term "American Indian" to refer to those individuals of North, Central and South America, and leaving the "first" status to sometime in the future when it can be claimed with evidence?

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13 Feb 2015, 12:05 pm

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Good to know! I am 1/8 Wampanoag, but didn't learn this until this past Thanksgiving! (I knew I was Wampanoag, but not that my maternal great-grandmother was full-blooded.) No one would EVER guess. I am blonde and blue-eyed. My Scandinavian heritage from my dad's side comes through a lot more.


In my state of Michigan, which comes from the Chippewa Indian word "meicigama", 1/8 is enough to qualify for free college tuition (not books , not fees though). My mom is 1/8.



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13 Feb 2015, 12:39 pm

Another part-Cherokee, here----my 100 percent maternal grandmother stepped right off the reservation, and right up to the altar. I say: "Call me anything----just don't call me late, for supper!"












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13 Feb 2015, 2:02 pm

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I don't know about America, but I'm Canadian Métis and part Cree.
Up here, it's usually native peoples of Canada (only used on official documents), Aboriginal, First Nations, or Inuit, depending on what region you are in. I personally don't care, unless they say Indian.
At least in Canada, it's considered extremely disrespectful to say Indian unless the person is from India. You can actually get expelled from school, and charged with a hate crime if it's a repeat offense.


In Canada the legal term is Indian. I know this because I'm a registered Indian, not a registered Native/Aboriginal/First Nations/whatever.

Personally I prefer the term 'Amerind' when referring to native people in general, otherwise I go out of my way to use a more specific ethnonym (Abenaki or Iroquois or Cree or whatever) if possible.


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13 Feb 2015, 2:14 pm

My great-great maternal grandfather is full blooded Sioux, and on the other maternal side a great great great grandmother is a so-called Indian princess, per Cherokee.

That helped me get my first job....

Per Federal Employment..

Per minority preference..

But Haha! I have naturally blonde hair, extremely light blue eyes but tan as bronze as any Indian one might ever see....;)

The other ingredients are French, Spanish, English, Irish, and French in relatively speaking the same European area...of fair and olive skin mixed....

But without the tan, I am about as white as white comes for humans..

I don't do PC.... Period.

There is more to live for than labels and words.....and math.. too....and science... too.... AND all that other 'formal' 'PC' School stuFF too....

LOTS MORE.....!..;)


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13 Feb 2015, 2:45 pm

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My great-great maternal grandfather is full blooded Sioux, and on the other maternal side a great great great grandmother is a so-called Indian princess, per Cherokee.

That helped me get my first job....

Per Federal Employment..

Per minority preference..



Those mean Europeans have to make repairations to you for what they did to your people. :o



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13 Feb 2015, 6:07 pm

I may be the only person in this thread with not one single bit of Native American/Indian/Amerind DNA. As verified by 23andme.



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I may be the only person in this thread with not one single bit of Native American/Indian/Amerind DNA. As verified by 23andme.

Not quite. I am genetically a Celtic mutt with a titch of Viking and, of course, "a dash of autism." I would have needed to descend from Muhammad a lot sooner than I did to get any dominant genes other than that. In other words, I glow in the dark. :)


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13 Feb 2015, 7:10 pm

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I may be the only person in this thread with not one single bit of Native American/Indian/Amerind DNA. As verified by 23andme.


I want to try that, my family has been in this country since the 17th century so who knows what got thrown in the wood pile. Would almost be disappointing tho to get back exactly what you know tho.