Does anyone else agree with feminism?
puddingmouse wrote:
marshall wrote:
I'm fine with the idea of feminism, but people who call themselves feminists are often a bit nuts.
Pleased to make your acquaintance. I'm more than a 'bit' nuts.
me too.
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donnie_darko wrote:
TheAmoralist wrote:
Gender roles are fictive, much like fictive kin (e.g.: Aryan brotherhood, the military, religion), are used to exploit and manipulate. It's origins come from religion like most of today's sociocultural bull. Gender roles are not directly beneficial to reproduction. Without them, we would still naturally be able to reproduce -natural selection would play it's part. ( ) With it, we over-reproduce, and then we overburden ourselves and our environment, giving authority a cause to exploit us and others. Gender roles are unnecessary and trump freedom and equality.
- Would we, with ASDs, still exist? How would you describe us in evolutionary terms? Positive, negative, or neutral mutation, adaptation, etc.?
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- Would we, with ASDs, still exist? How would you describe us in evolutionary terms? Positive, negative, or neutral mutation, adaptation, etc.?
I don't have much practice with argumentative writing. Any feedback is appreciated, of course.
I wouldn't say gender roles are entirely else. In order to make the sexes entirely equal, you would have to coerce them into going against their nature at least as much as the gender roles coerce the sexes to conform to the idea of what a sex's nature is.
No matter how equal the rights of sexes towards everything is, the fact is more women are going to be stay-at-home parents than men, and more men are going to be in sports. That doesn't mean that all women love kids or that all men love sports (personally, I love neither of those things ) but I think gender roles exaggerate biological tendencies, rather than create all of the differences between the sexes.
nobody coerced me into being the breadwinner while my former husband stayed at home to care for our child and do the housework. and nobody coerced him into it either.
my brand of feminism supports the idea that men and women should have the choice to take on either role, or to share roles. considering that the workforce is close to equal in the male:female ratio, it seems that this is already happening.
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donnie_darko wrote:
minervx wrote:
On this forum, I see plenty of misogynistic language against women, with even some users referring to them as aliens. It is too unfortunate, not just here, but in many places, that men blame women for their problems.
And women never blame men for their problems ever? What about that t-shirt 'boys are stupid, throw rocks at them'?
that t-shirt wasn't on this forum. so it's not a great example.
some women have blamed men for their problems on the forum, but the issues with sexism usually tend to come from males. that's not to say that sexism does not originate from females, but the large majority of problematic posts come from the men.
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hyperlexian wrote:
donnie_darko wrote:
minervx wrote:
On this forum, I see plenty of misogynistic language against women, with even some users referring to them as aliens. It is too unfortunate, not just here, but in many places, that men blame women for their problems.
And women never blame men for their problems ever? What about that t-shirt 'boys are stupid, throw rocks at them'?
that t-shirt wasn't on this forum. so it's not a great example.
some women have blamed men for their problems on the forum, but the issues with sexism usually tend to come from males. that's not to say that sexism does not originalte from females, but the large majority of problematic posts come from the men.
I don't see why that shirt would be an example of women "blaming men". Its something some bubbly, flirty teenage girl would probably wear. Probably tight and pink with those words written across the bewbs
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donnie_darko wrote:
minervx wrote:
On this forum, I see plenty of misogynistic language against women, with even some users referring to them as aliens. It is too unfortunate, not just here, but in many places, that men blame women for their problems.
And women never blame men for their problems ever? What about that t-shirt 'boys are stupid, throw rocks at them'?
ever seen someone other than a model wearing that shirt?
donnie_darko wrote:
minervx wrote:
On this forum, I see plenty of misogynistic language against women, with even some users referring to them as aliens. It is too unfortunate, not just here, but in many places, that men blame women for their problems.
And women never blame men for their problems ever? What about that t-shirt 'boys are stupid, throw rocks at them'?
Men like to throw their rocks at...oh, nevermind.
hyperlexian wrote:
nobody coerced me into being the breadwinner while my former husband stayed at home to care for our child and do the housework. and nobody coerced him into it either.
my brand of feminism supports the idea that men and women should have the choice to take on either role, or to share roles. considering that the workforce is close to equal in the male:female ratio, it seems that this is already happening.
I could care less if men or women take on either roles, but I don't expect them to be equal. Men have better spatial ability and are more left-hemisphere dominant which makes us better at math while women are much more adept at communication and language due to a more even hemispherical dominance and a larger limbic system. It's inevitable that men will be better overall at math and females will be better overall at language-based subjects as well as at caring for children so I think gender equality is a fruitless harvest. However, there is definitely a need to tone the gender roles down a notch since it isn't healthy to take these to extremes. Not only do dudes die more often from suicide since we tend to kill ourselves more violently, we also tend to isolate ourselves more so than women when we could use more of the "tend and befriend" approach rather than the "fight of flight" approach.
my brand of feminism supports the idea that men and women should have the choice to take on either role, or to share roles. considering that the workforce is close to equal in the male:female ratio, it seems that this is already happening.
AceOfSpades wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
nobody coerced me into being the breadwinner while my former husband stayed at home to care for our child and do the housework. and nobody coerced him into it either.
my brand of feminism supports the idea that men and women should have the choice to take on either role, or to share roles. considering that the workforce is close to equal in the male:female ratio, it seems that this is already happening.
I could care less if men or women take on either roles, but I don't expect them to be equal. Men have better spatial ability and are more left-hemisphere dominant which makes us better at math while women are much more adept at communication and language due to a more even hemispherical dominance and a larger limbic system. It's inevitable that men will be better overall at math and females will be better overall at language-based subjects as well as at caregiving so I think gender equality is a fruitless harvest.my brand of feminism supports the idea that men and women should have the choice to take on either role, or to share roles. considering that the workforce is close to equal in the male:female ratio, it seems that this is already happening.
i don't understand what you are saying. men and women are already equal. equal does not mean identical, otherwise you could not even argue that all men are equal with each other.
interestingly, there is more variation across the members of each gender than there is between the members of the 2 genders (in every area of testing). so basically you can find more differences amongst males and amongst females than between males and females.
you are speaking in absolutes, which is absolutely never accurate. my spatial abilities are far superior to my verbal communication skills, and i am female. so your post doesn't apply to all females or all males yet you speak in absolute terms.
you should be aware that the whole "left brain/right brain" thing was debunked long ago.
http://www.psychoheresy-aware.org/images/Pro2_14.pdf
EDIT: took out part where i was requoting and had half-deleted it.
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The problem with that, Ace, is that those are all generalizations; I've set the curve in almost every math class I've ever taken, and I know a lot of men who are more nurturing than I am. That doesn't mean that I'm not a good woman or that such men are not good men.
Also? Spatial reasoning does not directly link up to math skills; abstract reasoning does (it also links to schizophrenia and religiosity).
hyperlexian wrote:
interestingly, there is more variation across the members of each gender than there is between the members of the 2 genders (in every area of testing). so basically you can find more differences amongst males and amongst females than between males and females.
Did you just fall for "The Law of Variances"?
Tadzio
Tadzio wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
interestingly, there is more variation across the members of each gender than there is between the members of the 2 genders (in every area of testing). so basically you can find more differences amongst males and amongst females than between males and females.
Did you just fall for "The Law of Variances"?
Tadzio
no idea what you're talking about, so i can't really answer that.
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hyperlexian wrote:
Tadzio wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
interestingly, there is more variation across the members of each gender than there is between the members of the 2 genders (in every area of testing). so basically you can find more differences amongst males and amongst females than between males and females.
Did you just fall for "The Law of Variances"?
Tadzio
no idea what you're talking about, so i can't really answer that.
The additive variances of groupings of any statistics "neutralize" often a surprising amount of the variance in each group.
An "easy" example is on page 11-16 of "DESK EDITION: Tool and manufacturing engineers handbook" by W. H. Cubberly, Ramon Bakerjian:
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=c ... riances%22
"Assigning tolerances by simple addition makes individual part tolerances too tight or overestimates assembly tolerances."
This is also a "mystery trick" question in statistics, as two wide bell-curves' members added together gives a less wide bell-curve.
Tadzio
hyperlexian wrote:
Tadzio wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
interestingly, there is more variation across the members of each gender than there is between the members of the 2 genders (in every area of testing). so basically you can find more differences amongst males and amongst females than between males and females.
Did you just fall for "The Law of Variances"?
Tadzio
no idea what you're talking about, so i can't really answer that.
He's talking about this:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_total_variance
I have no idea what this has to do with the current topic though.
marshall wrote:
I do think it's unfair that women are judged on their appearance far more than men are.
I think a lot of that is actually by other women though. It's scientific fact women are more picky than men when it comes to finding a partner and thus in a way you could say they actually judge men on appearance more, at least when it comes to sexually.