The Gun Culture is Somewhat In Denial About Gun Safety.

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07 Jul 2015, 2:02 pm

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...I'm so tired of being attacked by you all....

Being vociferously anti-Second Amendment appears to be a "special restrictive interest" and "routine." That has been my opinion for months here.

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07 Jul 2015, 5:31 pm

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http://news.yahoo.com/guns-dont-deter-crime-study-finds-180710261.html

Where has this survey been replicated? By whom? The surveys of Kleck and Lott, among others, have invited replication which has held up in subsequent surveys.

This survey ( http://ajph.aphapublications.org/doi/ab ... 013.301409 ) was published in 2013 and reviewed "data from the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention’s Web-Based Injury Statistics Query and Reporting Systems database on gun ownership and firearm homicide rates across all 50 states during 1981 to 2010." It is well known among criminologists that the peak for U.S. violent crime occurred between the early 1980s and the early 1990s during the crack-cocaine epidemic within urban areas. When the epidemic decreased substantially before the mid-1990s, U.S. firearm-related deaths continued to decrease. This survey appears to have cherry-picked the epidemic decade to pump up its results and pretend that they exist in today's world. They don't.

Since the epidemic decreased noticeably, the U.S. Department of Justice Bureau of Justice Statistics shows this continuing through 2011 ( http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fv9311.pdf ). Localized-data reports show that this decrease continues today.

this lott?

http://politicalmoll.com/john-r-lott-fu ... arm-facts/

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07 Jul 2015, 5:39 pm

I have nothing against guns, per se.

I wouldn't attack anyone for being pro-gun. I wouldn't like it if somebody was so vociferously pro-gun that the very idea permeates his/her brain.

I don't really care that much about guns myself, to be honest. Guns are something to be fired. They're used in hunting. They're used in target practice. They are sometimes used in crimes. There should be some kind of regulation of guns--but it's not a life & death situation for me.

Now.....gay rights--and the progress of people of alternative sexuality--now that's important!

And our financial situation.

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07 Jul 2015, 9:34 pm

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theres already thousands and thousands of gun laws, its already regulated. too far if you ask many gun owners(you know the ones being attacked and have everything to lose)

protecting the rights of one group of people while destryong the rights of another group. yup the left is so very concerned about people :roll:

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08 Jul 2015, 2:15 am

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kraftiekortie wrote:

kraftiekortie likes to come to these threads and poke the hornet's nest then cry when he gets stung.

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08 Jul 2015, 3:21 am

Howdy. I'm a girl and I definitely believe in the Second Amendment. I own two guns (neither of which were built with safeties - a Ruger and a Sig Sauer). I learned how to shoot both in a class setting and have them locked up in a gun case loaded. It's just me and Waldo - no kids. I never grew up with guns so I don't feel totally comfortable around them. I felt the need to have a gun after living on my own. I have a home alarm system, but if someone comes in here the alarm will sound and the company ends up calling to make sure the alarm was real - I could be dead by then, so that's where the guns come in. I live on the top floor, but in the past 5 yrs it has been the top condos that have been broken into. I have them for home safety only. I even have hollow points so if I need to shoot it will be less likely for the bullet to go into the next condo. A pharmacist I worked with said I need a shotgun. I haven't done that yet. I would need someone to help me shoot that as I feel that is a little too much gun for me and my shoulders and I know most definitely that that would shoot the person (forget a bullet) right into the next condo and it would be hard to clean up the mess. The positive would be I wouldn't have to worry about being a good shot.

One thing that is happening now here in Kansas is that people can now conceal and carry WITHOUT a license. It just started this month. I feel uncomfortable about that. I do think a person should qualify first by taking a class (especially on gun laws) and then show they can handle their gun properly and shoot a target. I will not carry a gun with me as I'm scared of having to use it and something happening that shouldn't have happened (like missing my target and shooting someone else, etc) and going to prison. I have things to lose like my nursing license and my job. I can't just be toting a gun around town like Calamity Jane. Usually if you do see a conceal carry person pull their gun it always makes the news. I sure don't need that. However, the oddballs that shouldn't have any guns are the ones running around with one because they don't have anything to lose. Another thing, I'm tired of politics using guns as the problem every time there is a shooting. It gets to be old crap.

Good people need guns. There's just too many crazies out there. It's not always about just the safety of children. We had a trauma happen here. The gunshop I purchased one of my guns from was owned by a husband and wife. She taught me and my Ma how to shoot the guns we purchased. One Friday about 3 months ago 4 thugs ran into the place shooting it up and ended up killing her husband - he died at the hospital I work at. Her husband (me and Ma could swear that they had told us when we bought our guns that he was a cop) shot two of the idiots and one ended up being in our ICU for a couple months. The others ran to houses in back of the gun store and could have hurt other people but were eventually caught. That experience was very upsetting as this woman had just opened this gun shop made specifically for women - to teach them classes in self protection. I believe she reopened the store, but I haven't been back since I buy my bullets online. To be honest, I would be creeped out going back in the store - too many memories. No one will ever talk me into giving up my guns .......unless I'm forced to.

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08 Jul 2015, 9:04 am

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...kraftiekortie likes to come to these threads and poke the hornet's nest then cry when he gets stung.

I believe that kraftiekortie really does respect the Second Amendment and the opinions of others. He isn't a cheerleader for it, but he doesn't undermine it either. He probably doesn't need to be to give those of us who are advocates some free range. That is how I felt about the matter until 2001 and read Jonathan Rausch's Salon commentary about "Pink pistols" ( http://www.salon.com/2000/03/14/pistol ). For me, it was a whole new understanding of how the amendment had relevance to today's problem of violent hate crimes. I was hooked and have been an advocate since then.

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08 Jul 2015, 9:12 am

Thank you, Mr. Utah.

If I get stung by a hornet, I'll scream for a moment...then deal with it.

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08 Jul 2015, 9:16 am

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Women have always been very good shooters. I have heard several instructors say that men think they know how to shoot while women think they need to be taught how to shoot. Big difference. Annie Oakley was flat-out awesome. I own SIG Sauers, too.

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08 Jul 2015, 9:26 am

Women are not skewed by over-confidence. They have an objective view of the target.

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08 Jul 2015, 9:27 am

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Women are not skewed by over-confidence. They have an objective view of the target.

Unless the target is a wayward spouse. Hehe. [joking!]

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08 Jul 2015, 10:08 am

Or a wayward man in general!

Objectivity is out the window, then! And into the fire!

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08 Jul 2015, 10:52 am

AspieUtah wrote:

Raptor wrote:

...kraftiekortie likes to come to these threads and poke the hornet's nest then cry when he gets stung.

Then what about this?

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I've known people who cannot "see the forest for the trees" if they feel their "gun rights" are being violated. This supersedes all else. Weapons which are not specifically used for hunting, like semi-automatic/automatic weapons, are quite dangerous when placed in the wrong hands.

I believe in the Second Amendment, the right to bear arms to defend one's self. But if somebody tells me that semi-automatic/automatic weapons are dangerous and should be banned, then I would concede this, and settle for plain ole rifles when I go out hunting.

I don't believe the banning of dangerous weapons is a violation of one's "gun rights."

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You should know by now that a "but" after "I beleive in the 2nd amendment" doesnt fly.
Then as expected the semiautophobia follows.
What more do you need?

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08 Jul 2015, 12:02 pm

^^^

It's

named

thinking

in more colors

than black and white.

It's fun. And amazingly
it increases IQ beyond standard
IQ.. as standard IQ is thinking
in black and white
less or more....

I am sitting in a chair getting
my usual law-enforcement-style
haircut yesterday.. when an older
lady asks for some new style pink
side-highlights for her hair.. and she
'tales' me.. if you sit their long enough
you will have some color in your hair too..
and i go on to 'tale' her.. i do not need color
in my hair to express all the colors of the
rainbow.. and i am not even frigging
gay.. in the midst
of a red-state homo-
phobe.. gun-toting
audience of
Fundie Christian
Lore.. NO 'you' do
not need big guns
to protect yourself
as big as 'nuclear
bombs'.. that is NOT
part of second amendment
stuff for the average USA
user for guns amongst
the sheep who
live where
i do for
sure...

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08 Jul 2015, 12:31 pm

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AspieUtah wrote:

Raptor wrote:

...kraftiekortie likes to come to these threads and poke the hornet's nest then cry when he gets stung.

Then what about this?

kraftiekortie wrote:

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You should know by now that a "but" after "I beleive in the 2nd amendment" doesnt fly.
Then as expected the semiautophobia follows.
What more do you need?

I see these statements as under-informed, that's all. And, that isn't an insult, as most of my family members and friends feel largely the same way. But, as with conservatives who are now standing flat-footed about same-sex marriage, liberals were standing flat-footed in 2008 and 2010 when the U.S. Supreme Court not only determined the Second Amendment to be a personal right, but, incorporated it among the states, thereby forbidding the states from doing (or continuing) any act in opposition to the opinions. In other words, absolute truth and knowledge about these matters isn't going to occur immediately nationwide. For many, it will take some time. For too many, there will never be enough time. Meanwhile, on both issues (about which I care strongly), we have won the debate. Knowing this, I don't care too much about the opinions of others which might not be as informed as they should be at the moment. I can relax and understand that some others aren't quite to the point where the Court was when it published these opinions.

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08 Jul 2015, 12:39 pm

^^^

And that's thinking in more
colors than BLACK
AND
WHITE..

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