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03 Feb 2016, 9:49 pm

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...Trump can learn just like anyone else. And we won't see if they're any good until we give them a try. I'm tired of the old way, we need a new way now.

Who was it that blew his horn about "change" Mr. K and got elected? We need change again because that "change" didn't work.

A new way, like radical xenophobia, religious hatred, racial bigotry, and crass talk that appeals to our basest instincts. I think that was tried before, they just called it fascism.


It was tried before and it's still going on and you're going right along with it - we have a Fascist in the White House now and calling him that is me being nice. Every time someone comes along and says what you just did I have to laugh cause you all sound like a broken record. I think you need some new glasses that don't have rose-colored lenses. :roll:


He's their fascist so it's ok.
Like if you were on stalins good side it was ok, bad side and he's an evil dictator.
They'd likely support a dictatorship as long as it was a democrat.

Soon as a republican does any of the same things the democrat did, they are called a fascist, Nazi, etc.

Party biased is all it is.

If your not ok with the other party doing something, you shouldn't be ok when yours does it. But liberals don't get that.



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03 Feb 2016, 10:04 pm

nurseangela wrote:
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...Trump can learn just like anyone else. And we won't see if they're any good until we give them a try. I'm tired of the old way, we need a new way now.

Who was it that blew his horn about "change" Mr. K and got elected? We need change again because that "change" didn't work.

A new way, like radical xenophobia, religious hatred, racial bigotry, and crass talk that appeals to our basest instincts. I think that was tried before, they just called it fascism.


It was tried before and it's still going on and you're going right along with it - we have a Fascist in the White House now and calling him that is me being nice. Every time someone comes along and says what you just did I have to laugh cause you all sound like a broken record. I think you need some new glasses that don't have rose-colored lenses. :roll:

Could you explain in what way Obama is fascist? He didn't advocated or acted in the sense of more discrimination. The GOP candidates on the other hand are so caught up in their own lies they may as well come from another reality and it make them very dangerous; notably from their persecution delusion and their fanaticism.



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03 Feb 2016, 10:06 pm

Tollorin wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
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nurseangela wrote:
...Trump can learn just like anyone else. And we won't see if they're any good until we give them a try. I'm tired of the old way, we need a new way now.

Who was it that blew his horn about "change" Mr. K and got elected? We need change again because that "change" didn't work.

A new way, like radical xenophobia, religious hatred, racial bigotry, and crass talk that appeals to our basest instincts. I think that was tried before, they just called it fascism.


It was tried before and it's still going on and you're going right along with it - we have a Fascist in the White House now and calling him that is me being nice. Every time someone comes along and says what you just did I have to laugh cause you all sound like a broken record. I think you need some new glasses that don't have rose-colored lenses. :roll:

Could you explain in what way Obama is fascist? He didn't advocated or acted in the sense of more discrimination. The GOP candidates on the other hand are so caught up in their own lies they may as well come from another reality and it make them very dangerous; notably from their persecution delusion and their fanaticism.

the right-wingers seem to have their own definition of "fascism"- according to them, letting working class folk have affordable health care and gay folk marry is fascism. but corporations owning government is not. go figure.



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03 Feb 2016, 10:57 pm

auntblabby wrote:
Tollorin wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
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nurseangela wrote:
...Trump can learn just like anyone else. And we won't see if they're any good until we give them a try. I'm tired of the old way, we need a new way now.

Who was it that blew his horn about "change" Mr. K and got elected? We need change again because that "change" didn't work.

A new way, like radical xenophobia, religious hatred, racial bigotry, and crass talk that appeals to our basest instincts. I think that was tried before, they just called it fascism.


It was tried before and it's still going on and you're going right along with it - we have a Fascist in the White House now and calling him that is me being nice. Every time someone comes along and says what you just did I have to laugh cause you all sound like a broken record. I think you need some new glasses that don't have rose-colored lenses. :roll:

Could you explain in what way Obama is fascist? He didn't advocated or acted in the sense of more discrimination. The GOP candidates on the other hand are so caught up in their own lies they may as well come from another reality and it make them very dangerous; notably from their persecution delusion and their fanaticism.

the right-wingers seem to have their own definition of "fascism"- according to them, letting working class folk have affordable health care and gay folk marry is fascism. but corporations owning government is not. go figure.


Yeah its impossible to even talk to them because they'll somehow twist things like that into 'oppression' apparently its also too much of the working class to ask that they get living wages as well. Corporations treat employees like expandable garbage and who does the right and quite a bit of the democrats want to serve, corporate interests over the people. That seems a lot closer to fascism than most anything they accuse the left of, though its not like everyone on the left agrees on everything, plenty of different opinions with in it.


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03 Feb 2016, 11:13 pm

Simple Definition of fascism

: a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government

: very harsh control or authority

Asswipe (my pet name for him because saying his name makes me want to vomit) has went around Congress more times than I can count, is trying to push through immigration, has pushed through Obamacare, has pushed through several executive orders when Congress goes against what he wants and if anyone is working with Putin-it's HIM! Did you not hear Asswipe talking to Putin when he thought his microphone was off? Your side never wants to remember the real crap that goes down, as usual.


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03 Feb 2016, 11:20 pm

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Simple Definition of fascism

: a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government

: very harsh control or authority

Asswipe (my pet name for him because saying his name makes me want to vomit) has went around Congress more times than I can count, is trying to push through immigration, has pushed through Obamacare, has pushed through several executive orders when Congress goes against what he wants and if anyone is working with Putin-it's HIM! Did you not hear Asswipe talking to Putin when he thought his microphone was off? Your side never wants to remember the real crap that goes down, as usual.


And how is the left specifically stopping people from disagreeing with the government? Last I checked people are perfectly allowed to disagree with the government and Obama is not a dictator. His term is up very soon, dictators don't have presidency terms they have absolute authority over the government.

What is the real crap that goes down that my 'side' doesn't remember exactly? And why is your side with corporate control of all the production and distribution of goods and resources as well as any services. What is it that makes you so willing to vote for people who serve corporate billionaires over the people?


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03 Feb 2016, 11:21 pm

auntblabby wrote:
Tollorin wrote:
nurseangela wrote:
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nurseangela wrote:
...Trump can learn just like anyone else. And we won't see if they're any good until we give them a try. I'm tired of the old way, we need a new way now.

Who was it that blew his horn about "change" Mr. K and got elected? We need change again because that "change" didn't work.

A new way, like radical xenophobia, religious hatred, racial bigotry, and crass talk that appeals to our basest instincts. I think that was tried before, they just called it fascism.


It was tried before and it's still going on and you're going right along with it - we have a Fascist in the White House now and calling him that is me being nice. Every time someone comes along and says what you just did I have to laugh cause you all sound like a broken record. I think you need some new glasses that don't have rose-colored lenses. :roll:

Could you explain in what way Obama is fascist? He didn't advocated or acted in the sense of more discrimination. The GOP candidates on the other hand are so caught up in their own lies they may as well come from another reality and it make them very dangerous; notably from their persecution delusion and their fanaticism.

the right-wingers seem to have their own definition of "fascism"- according to them, letting working class folk have affordable health care and gay folk marry is fascism. but corporations owning government is not. go figure.


Affordable Healthcare?! What planet are you on? Obamacare is going to bankrupt the country if Immigration doesn't do it first. I actually think that's what the country needs-just go totally belly-up and then into a third world country because that's the only way you people will ever get what's happening. Asswipe has already run up trillions of dollars that we'll never be able to pay back - I'd say we're pretty much bankrupt now. I feel sorry for the next president because I don't even think we can be saved as a country.


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03 Feb 2016, 11:24 pm

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Simple Definition of fascism

: a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government

: very harsh control or authority

Asswipe (my pet name for him because saying his name makes me want to vomit) has went around Congress more times than I can count, is trying to push through immigration, has pushed through Obamacare, has pushed through several executive orders when Congress goes against what he wants and if anyone is working with Putin-it's HIM! Did you not hear Asswipe talking to Putin when he thought his microphone was off? Your side never wants to remember the real crap that goes down, as usual.


And how is the left specifically stopping people from disagreeing with the government? Last I checked people are perfectly allowed to disagree with the government and Obama is not a dictator. His term is up very soon, dictators don't have presidency terms they have absolute authority over the government.

What is the real crap that goes down that my 'side' doesn't remember exactly? though not really sure I have a very defined 'side' I subscribe to.


I'm talking about the People of this country as a whole have no say in what's going to happen. We didn't have a say with Obamacare and we aren't going to have a say about immigration. That's why Asswipe has a mission to push through immigration before the year is up. He even said he would go around Congress again to get that pushed through.


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03 Feb 2016, 11:26 pm

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Affordable Healthcare?! What planet are you on? Obamacare is going to bankrupt the country if Immigration doesn't do it first. I actually think that's what the country needs-just go totally belly-up and then into a third world country because that's the only way you people will ever get what's happening. Asswipe has already run up trillions of dollars that we'll never be able to pay back - I'd say we're pretty much bankrupt now. I feel sorry for the next president because I don't even think we can be saved as a country.


The U.S has been running up that trillions of dollars since before Obama was president, and pretty sure it was a republican before him who was in office. Could it be politicians on both sides are corrupt and care more about serving billionaires and granting corporate welfare than they care about serving the public, being everyone below the upper middle class to?


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Dr. Lawrence Britt has examined the fascist regimes of Hitler (Germany), Mussolini (Italy), Franco (Spain), Suharto (Indonesia) and several Latin American regimes. Britt found 14 defining characteristics common to each-

1. Powerful and Continuing Nationalism – Fascist regimes tend to make constant use of patriotic mottos, slogans, symbols, songs, and other paraphernalia. Flags are seen everywhere, as are flag symbols on clothing and in public displays.
2. Disdain for the Recognition of Human Rights – Because of fear of enemies and the need for security, the people in fascist regimes are persuaded that human rights can be ignored in certain cases because of “need.” The people tend to look the other way or even approve of torture, summary executions, assassinations, long incarcerations of prisoners, etc.
3. Identification of Enemies/Scapegoats as a Unifying Cause – The people are rallied into a unifying patriotic frenzy over the need to eliminate a perceived common threat or foe: racial , ethnic or religious minorities; liberals; communists; socialists, terrorists, etc.
4. Supremacy of the Military – Even when there are widespread domestic problems, the military is given a disproportionate amount of government funding, and the domestic agenda is neglected. Soldiers and military service are glamorized.
5. Rampant Sexism – The governments of fascist nations tend to be almost exclusively male-dominated. Under fascist regimes, traditional gender roles are made more rigid. Divorce, abortion and homosexuality are suppressed and the state is represented as the ultimate guardian of the family institution.
6. Controlled Mass Media – Sometimes to media is directly controlled by the government, but in other cases, the media is indirectly controlled by government regulation, or sympathetic media spokespeople and executives. Censorship, especially in war time, is very common.
7. Obsession with National Security – Fear is used as a motivational tool by the government over the masses.
8. Religion and Government are Intertwined – Governments in fascist nations tend to use the most common religion in the nation as a tool to manipulate public opinion. Religious rhetoric and terminology is common from government leaders, even when the major tenets of the religion are diametrically opposed to the government’s policies or actions.
9. Corporate Power is Protected – The industrial and business aristocracy of a fascist nation often are the ones who put the government leaders into power, creating a mutually beneficial business/government relationship and power elite.
10. Labor Power is Suppressed – Because the organizing power of labor is the only real threat to a fascist government, labor unions are either eliminated entirely, or are severely suppressed.
11. Disdain for Intellectuals and the Arts – Fascist nations tend to promote and tolerate open hostility to higher education, and academia. It is not uncommon for professors and other academics to be censored or even arrested. Free expression in the arts and letters is openly attacked.
12. Obsession with Crime and Punishment – Under fascist regimes, the police are given almost limitless power to enforce laws. The people are often willing to overlook police abuses and even forego civil liberties in the name of patriotism. There is often a national police force with virtually unlimited power in fascist nations.
13. Rampant Cronyism and Corruption – Fascist regimes almost always are governed by groups of friends and associates who appoint each other to government positions and use governmental power and authority to protect their friends from accountability. It is not uncommon in fascist regimes for national resources and even treasures to be appropriated or even outright stolen by government leaders.
14. Fraudulent Elections – Sometimes elections in fascist nations are a complete sham. Other times elections are manipulated by smear campaigns against or even assassination of opposition candidates, use of legislation to control voting numbers or political district boundaries, and manipulation of the media. Fascist nations also typically use their judiciaries to manipulate or control elections.
It seems to me that a lot of those descriptions come close to describing the aims of the American right wing of today, and it also seems like a lot of aspies right here on dear old WP just don't seem to be bothered by any of it. :scratch:



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03 Feb 2016, 11:28 pm

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Affordable Healthcare?! What planet are you on? Obamacare is going to bankrupt the country if Immigration doesn't do it first. I actually think that's what the country needs-just go totally belly-up and then into a third world country because that's the only way you people will ever get what's happening. Asswipe has already run up trillions of dollars that we'll never be able to pay back - I'd say we're pretty much bankrupt now. I feel sorry for the next president because I don't even think we can be saved as a country.

NO- what planet are YOU from? you know damned good and well I was talking about affordable for working class individuals, you are just being manipulative.



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03 Feb 2016, 11:28 pm

nurseangela wrote:
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Simple Definition of fascism

: a way of organizing a society in which a government ruled by a dictator controls the lives of the people and in which people are not allowed to disagree with the government

: very harsh control or authority

Asswipe (my pet name for him because saying his name makes me want to vomit) has went around Congress more times than I can count, is trying to push through immigration, has pushed through Obamacare, has pushed through several executive orders when Congress goes against what he wants and if anyone is working with Putin-it's HIM! Did you not hear Asswipe talking to Putin when he thought his microphone was off? Your side never wants to remember the real crap that goes down, as usual.


And how is the left specifically stopping people from disagreeing with the government? Last I checked people are perfectly allowed to disagree with the government and Obama is not a dictator. His term is up very soon, dictators don't have presidency terms they have absolute authority over the government.

What is the real crap that goes down that my 'side' doesn't remember exactly? though not really sure I have a very defined 'side' I subscribe to.


I'm talking about the People of this country as a whole have no say in what's going to happen. We didn't have a say with Obamacare and we aren't going to have a say about immigration. That's why Asswipe has a mission to push through immigration before the year is up. He even said he would go around Congress again to get that pushed through.


There is an election going on, seems people get a say as to who we get as our next president..a number of policies in my state were voted on to create the result. Of course the system isn't perfect, but its a stretch to say we have literally no say in what is going on politically.


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03 Feb 2016, 11:35 pm

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Affordable Healthcare?! What planet are you on? Obamacare is going to bankrupt the country if Immigration doesn't do it first. I actually think that's what the country needs-just go totally belly-up and then into a third world country because that's the only way you people will ever get what's happening. Asswipe has already run up trillions of dollars that we'll never be able to pay back - I'd say we're pretty much bankrupt now. I feel sorry for the next president because I don't even think we can be saved as a country.


The U.S has been running up that trillions of dollars since before Obama was president, and pretty sure it was a republican before him who was in office. Could it be politicians on both sides are corrupt and care more about serving billionaires and granting corporate welfare than they care about serving the public, being everyone below the upper middle class to?


We've been in debt for most of the time we've been independent, and even before then.

It all started with the Acts (Sugar, Stamp, et al) that KG3 imposed on us.


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03 Feb 2016, 11:54 pm

And for all of you who think Asswipe is for the poor didn't it bother you in the least that even though our country is broke our Lord and Master took his family on top notch excursions that cost a fortune? I forgot how many they took, but Mrs. Asswipe and the girls also took big lavish trips. The only place I remember Bush going was his ranch in Texas. So if you think he's for the poor, think again. He don't care one damn bit about the poor. He does want you for a vote though. You think your getting handouts, but all that's happening is he's racking up more and more debt and running this country into the ground. And that has been his whole plan all along - to take down America from the inside.


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And for all of you who think Asswipe is for the poor didn't it bother you in the least that even though our country is broke our Lord and Master took his family on top notch excursions that cost a fortune? I forgot how many they took, but Mrs. Asswipe and the girls also took big lavish trips. The only place I remember Bush going was his ranch in Texas. So if you think he's for the poor, think again. He don't care one damn bit about the poor. He does want you for a vote though. You think your getting handouts, but all that's happening is he's racking up more and more debt and running this country into the ground. And that has been his whole plan all along - to take down America from the inside.


Who are you supporting in the election?


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And for all of you who think Asswipe is for the poor didn't it bother you in the least that even though our country is broke our Lord and Master took his family on top notch excursions that cost a fortune? I forgot how many they took, but Mrs. Asswipe and the girls also took big lavish trips. The only place I remember Bush going was his ranch in Texas. So if you think he's for the poor, think again. He don't care one damn bit about the poor. He does want you for a vote though. You think your getting handouts, but all that's happening is he's racking up more and more debt and running this country into the ground. And that has been his whole plan all along - to take down America from the inside.


Lord and Master? It is up to you if you want to give a president that kind of status...I certainly don't see him that way. Also I never said I think Obama is particularly for the poor and I didn't see that exact statement from anyone else either. I think Bernie is for the poor(and working class and general public), not Obama per say, though I like him better than some of the conservative alternatives that could have been voted for.

Also you can hardly blame the poor who get insistence from government programs for the debt, that is not where most of the wasteful spending comes like the republicans might want you to believe so they can cut and/or get rid of those programs.


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