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10 May 2015, 8:55 am

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Truly, wife Katrina is a saint,
That's credible.

Now we need to know what entirely random combination of elements is a saint. I'm sure that there are many parents out there who would like to know the secret. Perhaps someone will develop a "saint vaccine" to convert all impossible pricks into saints.

Ask Katrina for the recipe will you?


Oh goodness, DARKNESS, AND LIGHTNESS, the recipe for Saint Katrina is an easy loving one and a hard one too.

It starts with a poor mother looking for love and that mother's single mother finding love in her children and several prospective coming fathers for Katrina's mother, for a whole brood of step brothers and sisters; living in a small home, still poor, relying on each other for survival, and then the basic morals and ethics provided by the fundamentalist Christian way of life in our Patriarchal Christian area, in North Florida; that while far from perfect, still 'talks' to the merits of Unconditional Love.

Katrina's mother, is far too chronically socially stressed, to give her Unconditional Love; but in the extended family she finds that through her grandmother, who she is attached to like Apron strings, with the sibling rivalries ongoing for subsistence; that are not always pretty, of course.

Tough Love, is the way of learning an Unconditional Love that will never leave here or her siblings; as now her older sister plays that role by raising the children of her other sister who dies from cancer, now in another small home, on the same piece of land; with little to no income; but the front porch is still there across the railroad tracks, and the connection of Love of scores of offspring, now generated from Katrina's very troubled single mother, ARE STILL HELD TOGETHER ON THAT PORCH OF LIFE, BY UNCONDITIONAL TOUGH LOVE.

So yeah; that quality AND QUANTITY of Tough Unconditional Love is what gives Katrina the strength to stay with me during the real tough times, when the Unconditional Love that lives in me gifted by my Saint Mother, who gets the gift of Tough Unconditional Love from her 'poor' SAINT Mother, is extinguished in me, from the 'RIGOR MORTIS' OF chronic social stress FROM the modern machine oriented work world WITH SOULLESS CREATURES WITHOUT HEARTS, named as humans, OFTEN BEHIND THE CURTAINS OF THIS MODERN OZ of HELL.

Yes, Katrina does her best to nurture a human that loses their heart, soul, and expressed spirit for five long years of Zombie death AND ILLNESS, numbering 19, in synergy of life threatening, stress related ones. And that tough love from her childhood, in part, with all the other folks who inspire me back to life, eventually makes both her and me, the winners in a Life of Unconditional Tough Love that is truly possible, for success in Unconditional Loving LIFE, for those FOLKS with strong enough LIVING WILLS to make it through to the other side of LOVE.

So yeah, the recipe is Hard Love; Love so Hard that it is worth it every now to simply; LOVE HARD AND SOFT.

So yeah, LOVE IS THE BATTLE FIELD, AND 'THE SAINTS' ARE THE WINNERS OF THE BIGGEST WAR OF LOVE THAT IS
NAMED AS HUMAN LIFE OR NOT, IN WHATEVER IS LEFT, OF LIFE FOR NOW AS LOVE.

TRULY, some folks are not part of that world of TOUGH Unconditional LOVE, and they may never get it; and I can only call
that HELL ON EARTH, looking through the mirror of ALICE IN WONDERLAND OF LOVE OR NOT.

AND this video describes it well,

for those who have experienced

this fuller experience

of living AND LOVING life.

'WIDE AWAKE' IS POSSIBLE.

And yeah; at one point in my life,

I AM 'THE woman' trembling,

in death IN LIFE,

in a wheel chair;

JUST LIKE THAT.



AND NOW, I TOO; AM WIDE AWAKE IN THE BLISS OF THE GARDEN OF EDEN,
GIFTED BY THE GOD OF NATURE, IN THE TAPESTRY OF THE ARTOFALLTHATISFORNOW.


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10 May 2015, 8:58 am

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Aghogday speaks in metaphor.

All poets are like that. They are expanding upon what is "real."

What is "real is "real"--but could stand a little "artificial" embellishment.

It's understandable that those who think logically, scientifically, would find "embellishment of the real" to be somewhat irritating.

But we need this--we need this in order for there to be hope.

What is "purely real" is not good in many instances.

What we have to do is to expand from the "purely real."

Just like the pioneers in internet technology did.

What was "real" in 1995 is merely a speck of "real" today.


Thanks Kraftie Kortie; that's a perfect poetic expression
of explanation that is worth quoting
FOR me..<3


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10 May 2015, 9:25 am

kraftiekortie wrote:
What is "purely real" is not good in many instances.

What we have to do is to expand from the "purely real."

Just like the pioneers in internet technology did.

What was "real" in 1995 is merely a speck of "real" today.
Riii-ghhh-toh! So reality changes to suit your convenience? You may be surprised to know that it's not a novel idea. But reality is remarkably unamenable to the fancies of egotists. It remains what it is despite yearnings and assertions to the contrary.



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10 May 2015, 4:10 pm

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What are your credentials that enable you to evaluate whether Science is scientific?
Science has been well defined for thousands of years. Even in recorded history as far back as Aristotle it is the study and understanding of reality. Problem is that there have always been those who ignore, or fudge, the reality part of the definition to sell their egotistical daydreams as "science".


The reader will undoubtedly notice that you declined to answer my question. You refusal to do so is quite revealing.

and....Problem is that there have always been those who ignore, or fudge, the reality part of the definition to sell their egotistical daydreams as "religion and or creation science and or intelligent design".



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10 May 2015, 10:26 pm

Oldavid wrote:
kraftiekortie wrote:
What is "purely real" is not good in many instances.

What we have to do is to expand from the "purely real."

Just like the pioneers in internet technology did.

What was "real" in 1995 is merely a speck of "real" today.
Riii-ghhh-toh! So reality changes to suit your convenience? You may be surprised to know that it's not a novel idea. But reality is remarkably unamenable to the fancies of egotists. It remains what it is despite yearnings and assertions to the contrary.


Reality for human beings is filtered through senses and emotions first.
So-called conscious reasoned thought happens after that.
And yes, modern science shows this to be evidenced as
TRUTH NOW, AS WELL; BUT THE GREATEST OF
PHILOSOPHERS AND PHILOSOPHIES SPEAK
TO THIS TRUTH FOR THOUSANDS OF YEARS
ALREADY NOW.

The human sensory and emotional experience is human reality.

The so-called objective reality is also altered by human observation,
per the effect of the observer effect in Quantum Physics.

For people with little affective or cognitive empathy, per
potential mirror neurons that do 'NOT DO THEIR job', it
can be a common misconception that everyone experiences
reality the same way.

Nothing could be further from the truth.

The EXPERIENCE of reality is different, shaped by the
unique senses and emotions of each unique human being.

So yes, in effect and affect, all humans are special snowflakes.

And in effect and affect, per fractal nature, all humans are a part
of the whole that is the Universe, like most other parts of the Universe are,
per as above, so below.

In metaphor, humans have the ability to better reflect the observable Universe
or lesser reflect the observable Universe, through their sensory and emotional lives;

particularly in arts of creativity and imagination in physical intelligence that DOES
REGULATE emotions and integrate senses, as well as increasing the cognitive executive
functioning of focus and short term working memory.

For instance, spinning around in a TAI-CHI like movement today, listening to inspirational
music, I finish a 200 page book in around 30 minutes, while the onlookers stumble by
out of balance in robotic moves in straight lines; with stressed looks of living in all the
problems of their past and imagined ones in the future.

To live in the present, totally focused in mind and body balance, allows a person to live in
a much different emotional regulated and sensory integrated state of being.

Truly, it is a much different Universe perceived that a person lives in, in affect and effect, who has
little to no relative free will; and allows the environment to control them rather than
being the master of the environment one lives in.

But of course, this is nothing new; Eastern Philosophies speak to this much greater human potential
of life, in metaphors like CHI, and TAI CHI, for thousands of years, beyond so called Jesus;
who in the gnostic version, is more or less a YOGI leaning naturist dude himself, as linked
here often in the Gospel of Thomas Gnostic text, dug up in 1959, where in true impact
some of the words of the real Jesus are potentially recovered.

But it matters not; the same Universal Truths hidden in the metaphors of the New Testament
and Gnostic Gospel of Thomas are told in the TAO by Lao TZU, Buddha, and by the mythological
Krishna as well.

It IS, all about mastering one's mind and body in balance in the present of now to be the most
a human can be in human potential.

Other animals do this naturally; humans are simply taken away from their GOD of Nature given humanity;
and the GOD of Nature, in general, per mind and body balance and connection to other humans
and the rest of Nature, through illusions of modern culture, including abstract written language
and the collective intelligence that can support illusions of culture. INNATE INSTINCT AND INTUITION
THAT OTHERWISE WILL TAKE HUMANS AND DOES take other animals to a much greater and peaceful
state of mind and body balance can be lost, almost from birth, from human beings controlled by
the cultural environment instead of the 'real environment' that can instinctually drive human life.

Seriously, it's not surprising that anyone on this Internet site, would consider life as a material reductionist
way of being; when they cannot affectively tell, with their Mirror Neurons; that life is a many splendid experience
of humans living in entirely different perceived Universes, depending on the Unique emotional and sensory experiences
of it.

I come across folks here who believe that everyone experiences the Universe the same way, in an objective
way; nothing could be farther from the truth; for 'normal' humans who are born with this understanding of the
diversity of life; inherent as it most often is through both cognitive and affective empathy, and the accompanying neurology that works or does not work, like mirror neurons, to support a greater understanding of more than
just one person's perception of the Universe, however it may exit, beyond human 'eye's that see first with
emotions and senses.

Humans are art in basic construct. Truly reason, moreover, is the illusion of most of human life.

Living a life, in abstract construct; can be a tool to use to reason and survive based on what works
in the past working in the future; however, moreover, it becomes a tool of literal living hell
of imagining what will go wrong; that the birds and the bees never have to deal
with, in illusions of human ongoing hell in past and future that never ever exists
in anything other than human worry and imagination.

And again, to be clear, human imagination and creativity is the pinnacle of animal
achievement; but only when mastered with relative human free will to make
life heaven instead of the other place many folks live in stumbling like
robots through the aisles of Super-Walmart, AS the real Zombie
Apocalypse of humans come DEAD
IN LIFE.

A NEW AGE OF HUMANS, IS A POTENTIAL LIFE IN LIFE,
INTEAD OF THE DEATH IN THE PAST AND FUTURE
THAT MOST HUMANS LIVE IN FORGOING
THE REAL GIFT OF THE PLEASURE OF THE
PRESENCE OF THE PRESENT OF PRESENT.

Yes, a New age that truly is an old
age before the Age of the illusion
of the Apple of knowledge.

So yeah, the bible is correct
in this warning about the
TREE OF KNOWLEDGE VS.

THE TREE OF LIFE.

I FOR ONE TASTE LIFE;

AND LEAVE THE ILLUSIONS OF THE
KNOWLEDGE OF APPLES TO OTHERS
TO STAGNATE WITH IN THE PAST
AND THE FUTURE OF NEVER EVER
LAND
IN HUMAN HELL.

Nah, me and the other animals are
not the real insane ones who walk
so-called 'upright' on the EARTH.

And that my friend, is what I mean
by being grounded to the EARTH
in feet of sand; instead of the
illusions of life, for folks who
live in a head, instead.

Ah, to live in the present
in total mind and body
balance is to live forever
more now; where only death
occurs once; but never now, as
now is never death. And this is
precisely what the Gnostic Jesus
speaks to for those who escape
death in the only reality that truly
exists as now; and all the other
truly great philosophers
of the Aeons past that
exist for only now
still now only now.


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10 May 2015, 10:59 pm

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What are your credentials that enable you to evaluate whether Science is scientific?
Science has been well defined for thousands of years. Even in recorded history as far back as Aristotle it is the study and understanding of reality. Problem is that there have always been those who ignore, or fudge, the reality part of the definition to sell their egotistical daydreams as "science".


The reader will undoubtedly notice that you declined to answer my question. You refusal to do so is quite revealing.

and....Problem is that there have always been those who ignore, or fudge, the reality part of the definition to sell their egotistical daydreams as "religion and or creation science and or intelligent design".
The reader will undoubtedly notice that I answered your question with all the respect it deserves.

What credentials does one need to know that 2+2=4? However, anyone selling the idea that 2+2=4.5 will, of course, demand credentials in the form of a certificate from the University of 4.5... nothing else acceptable for obvious reasons.

You are simply repeating the silly slogan that "religion and or creation science and or intelligent design" are ""scientifically"" unacceptable; only because they are inconvenient to your religion of Materialism. I am demonstrating that religious Materialism is not only not science, but also scientifically impossible.

No matter how frantically you thrash around trying to make your ideology seem scientific, reality remains what it is.



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10 May 2015, 11:37 pm

Oldavid wrote:
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Oldavid wrote:
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What are your credentials that enable you to evaluate whether Science is scientific?
Science has been well defined for thousands of years. Even in recorded history as far back as Aristotle it is the study and understanding of reality. Problem is that there have always been those who ignore, or fudge, the reality part of the definition to sell their egotistical daydreams as "science".


The reader will undoubtedly notice that you declined to answer my question. You refusal to do so is quite revealing.

and....Problem is that there have always been those who ignore, or fudge, the reality part of the definition to sell their egotistical daydreams as "religion and or creation science and or intelligent design".
The reader will undoubtedly notice that I answered your question with all the respect it deserves.

What credentials does one need to know that 2+2=4? However, anyone selling the idea that 2+2=4.5 will, of course, demand credentials in the form of a certificate from the University of 4.5... nothing else acceptable for obvious reasons.

You are simply repeating the silly slogan that "religion and or creation science and or intelligent design" are ""scientifically"" unacceptable; only because they are inconvenient to your religion of Materialism. I am demonstrating that religious Materialism is not only not science, but also scientifically impossible.

No matter how frantically you thrash around trying to make your ideology seem scientific, reality remains what it is.


I love it when a plan comes together. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:



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10 May 2015, 11:56 pm

aghogday wrote:
And that my friend, is what I mean
by being grounded to the EARTH
in feet of sand; instead of the
illusions of life, for folks who
live in a head, instead.

Ah, to live in the present
in total mind and body
balance is to live forever
more now; where only death
occurs once; but never now, as
now is never death. And this is
precisely what the Gnostic Jesus
speaks to for those who escape
death in the only reality that truly
exists as now; and all the other
truly great philosophers
of the Aeons past that
exist for only now
still now only now.
Ah! Ghogsy.

When you're not shouting in caps your rants bear an uncanny resemblance to the sentimental, pseudo- intellectual ramblings of Rene Guenon.

I think we'll need a new topic to thrash that one out.



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11 May 2015, 12:50 am

Oldavid wrote:
aghogday wrote:
And that my friend, is what I mean
by being grounded to the EARTH
in feet of sand; instead of the
illusions of life, for folks who
live in a head, instead.

Ah, to live in the present
in total mind and body
balance is to live forever
more now; where only death
occurs once; but never now, as
now is never death. And this is
precisely what the Gnostic Jesus
speaks to for those who escape
death in the only reality that truly
exists as now; and all the other
truly great philosophers
of the Aeons past that
exist for only now
still now only now.
Ah! Ghogsy.

When you're not shouting in caps your rants bear an uncanny resemblance to the sentimental, pseudo- intellectual ramblings of Rene Guenon.

I think we'll need a new topic to thrash that one out.


Well, see my friend, you prove my point here; as many times, I have stated specifically that I use caps no different than bolding or italics TO ACCENTUATE nuanced emotion in language, as a literary device.

My speed of typing is close to 130 words a minute, as a lifelong accomplished pianist, when properly focused; and I commonly type 10K words a day, for whatever the F I feel like writing; and to be clear F is for Fun..;)

The point is, I do NOT CARE to waste NOW, dealing with slow buggy software here, to do the sluggish boldy Italic bug..;)

And you prove my point, as in your Universe, you can only see Capital letters, in one way of shouting; which is the same with other rigid minds here.

NOTHIng bothers me baby; 'cause I have simply mastered HUMAN relative free will. The cultural environment does NOT control me, for one, as human being.

And yes; for all practical intents and purposes, for those who have NOT mastered relative free will; 'I am' their 'master', when I post here; as they cannot control their discomfort over different ways of doing STUFF.

AND TRULY THAT IS SAD; caps or NOT. But, as I've often stated here, tHere is NO EMPIRICAL PROOF that GOD is FAIR; so that's perhaps the breaks or bad; or Karma, or WHATEVER THE WTFun GOD MAKES IT AS IS, AS EVOLVED OR NOT; FOR NOW..(:):


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11 May 2015, 4:59 am

Anyhow, back to topic.

With the foregone in mind, it would seem an inescapable conclusion that the presence of life precedes the organisation of molecules that comprise a live organism.



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11 May 2015, 8:22 am

Oldavid wrote:
Anyhow, back to topic.

With the foregone in mind, it would seem an inescapable conclusion that the presence of life precedes the organisation of molecules that comprise a live organism.


Nerp, actually the metaphor of the 3500 year Old Testament still rings true with cutting edge science.

First there is dark then, then there is the light of the science Big Bang, and perhaps there is light before dark as well in an Infinite ocean of the Force of God Infinity waves, as above so below.

Human arises from Sagan star dust, bible dust, and clay; all matter that still moves at God Force atomic level.

And there is yet no proof that dark is nothing, in terms of a complete vacuum state for scientific metaphor, as well.

It's not surprising that humans form God in anthropomorphising way; but never the less, God is creating Force and Master of All that is, as sane and same.


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11 May 2015, 10:31 am

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Nerp, actuAlly the metaphor of the 3500 year Old TesTament still rings true with cutting edge science.

First tHere is dark then, then thEre is the light of the science Big Bang, and perhaps theRe is light BEfore dark as well in an INfinite ocean of the Force of God InFiNitY waves, as above so below.

Human arises from 'Sagan' star 'dust', bible dust, and 'clay'; all matter that still moves at God Force atomic level.

And therE is yet no proof that dark is NOthing, in terms of a complete vacuum state for scientific metAphor, as well.

It's not surprising that humans form God in anthropomorphising way; but never the less, God is creating Force and Master of All that is, as 'sane' and same.


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11 May 2015, 12:35 pm

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Anyhow, back to topic.

With the foregone in mind, it would seem an inescapable conclusion that the presence of life precedes the organisation of molecules that comprise a live organism.

You have presented literally no evidence to support that conclusion.



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First there is dark then, then there is the light of the science Big Bang, and perhaps there is light before dark as well in an Infinite ocean of the Force of God Infinity waves, as above so below.
Of course!

Sooner or later someone would have to get 'round to the "Big Bang" nonscience speculations. Another day-dream that was not even an hypothesis to possibly explain real observations... it is just an assertion that ideologues then try to find excuses to support the idea... another example of reverse engineered anti-science.

Would deserve another thread, eh?



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Oldavid wrote:
Anyhow, back to topic.

With the foregone in mind, it would seem an inescapable conclusion that the presence of life precedes the organisation of molecules that comprise a live organism.

You have presented literally no evidence to support that conclusion.
You should seek a second opinion from someone with reading and comprehension skills.



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12 May 2015, 12:44 am

Oldavid wrote:
aghogday wrote:
First there is dark then, then there is the light of the science Big Bang, and perhaps there is light before dark as well in an Infinite ocean of the Force of God Infinity waves, as above so below.
Of course!

Sooner or later someone would have to get 'round to the "Big Bang" nonscience speculations. Another day-dream that was not even an hypothesis to possibly explain real observations... it is just an assertion that ideologues then try to find excuses to support the idea... another example of reverse engineered anti-science.

Would deserve another thread, eh?





WelL..

reAlly

speaKing..

'WE'

canNot create

GOD.. can we..;)

I certainly do not

have head or pants..

big enough for THAT..:)

Humility is Pretty Cool STUFF..

no matter how strong and awesome IT

may be... but the bottom line.. as always IS..

GOD is bigger than US.....:)

And
that WILL
ALLWAYS

be
THE
ULTI
MATE
TRUTH
FOR NOW
AND THEN
AND NOW A
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