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27 Feb 2015, 6:09 pm

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I agree with you 100% on the efficacy of the Search for Knowledge. 100%--if not a Million Percent!


Ok. Nicely done :wink: Yes there are proofs in Mathematics 8)


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27 Feb 2015, 6:10 pm

I am, pretty much, an Empiricist in my philosophical outlook.

I'm quite the atheist--but, if some Supreme Being reveals his/her/itself to me convincingly, I might change my mind.

Evolution is an virtually undisputed fact.

I believe in the Scientific Method--but not so much within the Social Sciences.

I believe in qualitative research as an essential adjunct to quantitative research.

I believe "logic" sometimes puts us in an intellectual bind. We have to "go around" syllogistic logic at times. We have to make use of "common sense," just like we make use of "common law," at times, rather than "precedent" when arguing a legal point.

"Logic," at times, could run counter to "common sense."

Yes, I am a lover of intellectual inquiry--but not to the exclusion of getting to know the empirical world as well.



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27 Feb 2015, 6:25 pm

Pretty much the same here. Determinism went out with Planck and Heisenberg. I think something more akin to Dialectical Materialism is required to sort through the morass of human interactions. Note I use the term "something akin" and do not state DM is the answer.

If I have an ideology it is something like this "We need to look as best we can at all interactions and try to understand their complexity before deciding on finite actions. An understanding of the natural world is paramount in this decision process and must take precedent over superstition and base, unfounded common sense" Needless to say this definition of what I believe is a work in progress.


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27 Feb 2015, 6:26 pm

Yep...this is in harmony with my thought pattern.



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27 Feb 2015, 6:27 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I am, pretty much, an Empiricist in my philosophical outlook.

I'm quite the atheist--but, if some Supreme Being reveals his/her/itself to me convincingly, I might change my mind.

Evolution is an virtually undisputed fact.

I believe in the Scientific Method--but not so much within the Social Sciences.

I believe in qualitative research as an essential adjunct to quantitative research.

I believe "logic" sometimes puts us in an intellectual bind. We have to "go around" syllogistic logic at times. We have to make use of "common sense," just like we make use of "common law," at times, rather than "precedent" when arguing a legal point.

"Logic," at times, could run counter to "common sense."

Yes, I am a lover of intellectual inquiry--but not to the exclusion of getting to know the empirical world as well.


Amen,
that sounds good too..;)


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27 Feb 2015, 6:35 pm

Personally, I think we need both dialectic and debate. Sometimes passion holds a degree of truth, other times it obscures it. And sometimes a dry discourse gets waylaid in a blind alley of cold reason. As in almost all human endeavors, we need a balanced mix for practical progress.


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27 Feb 2015, 6:38 pm

Talking of cold reason "Spock" no longer lives and prospers. RiP Leonard Nimoy


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27 Feb 2015, 6:39 pm

Narrator wrote:
Personally, I think we need both dialectic and debate. Sometimes passion holds a degree of truth, other times it obscures it. And sometimes a dry discourse gets waylaid in a blind alley of cold reason. As in almost all human endeavors, we need a balanced mix for practical progress.


Amen,
that sounds great, three. :)

UgH oh.. but not a
trinity of three....;)


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27 Feb 2015, 6:51 pm

DentArthurDent wrote:
Talking of cold reason "Spock" no longer lives and prospers. RiP Leonard Nimoy


True, Spock is full of Reason BUT is an 'empath',

as well, as OBVIOUSLY PRACTICED on STAR TREK,

LIKE SOME FOLKS ON THE SPECTRUM,

in metaphor, only, please. :)

Some folks talk.

Other folks 'read' minds.

Put the two together in working, cooperative, harmonious relationship
and ya CAN get the Captain Kirk and Mr. Spock Effect and Affect
in synergistic quantity and quality
to potentially explore where

no man GOES before. :)

But IT will never work, very well, as long as 'people', not 'you', slow the process with character attacks.

Kirk and Spock understand each other's differences and use those differences in positive affect and effect
to the great advantage of

their "Enterprise".

So in that way both Spock and Kirk live on....

at least for now..

here. ;)


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27 Feb 2015, 6:52 pm

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Talking of cold reason "Spock" no longer lives and prospers. RiP Leonard Nimoy

OMG OMG!!

Speechless!


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27 Feb 2015, 6:57 pm

It's tragic that one who played the Paradigm of Logic smoked. That's was why he passed away.



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27 Feb 2015, 7:03 pm

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It's tragic that one who played the Paradigm of Logic smoked. That's was why he passed away.

Yes, he became a big advocate for quitting and suffered permanent damage, despite quitting.


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27 Feb 2015, 7:06 pm

There will be nothing like the Original Star Trek.

They always sought to portray real human emotions, and they never took themselves too seriously, despite their "mission."



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27 Feb 2015, 7:19 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
There will be nothing like the Original Star Trek.

They always sought to portray real human emotions, and they never took themselves too seriously, despite their "mission."


Interesting, I agree, and perhaps there will never be another time like the 60's when THAT many folks relax their 'puckering' enough to simply breathe.....AND LIVE.

The ART of a culture, usually, in all the diverse ways THAT comes, has A REAL grasp ON the heart or lack of heart, of its inhabitants.

Now 'we' have Vampires and Zombies, and NO, not surprising to me, AT ALL..

PaRticularly the Zombie pArt....:)


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27 Feb 2015, 7:43 pm

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Talking of cold reason "Spock" no longer lives and prospers. RiP Leonard Nimoy


This is a sad loss :cry:



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27 Feb 2015, 7:58 pm

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kraftiekortie wrote:
It's tragic that one who played the Paradigm of Logic smoked. That's was why he passed away.

Yes, he became a big advocate for quitting and suffered permanent damage, despite quitting.


He was 83 when he died - beating the life expectancy of a white man born in 1931 by 24 years.

I'd argue he both lived long and prospered.