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02 Mar 2022, 5:46 pm

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Again, many headlines and viral posts of Ukrainian heroism from Zelensky on down to senior citizen civilians.


The response from within the Ukraine has been truly inspiring, and is undoubtedly a large reason the world is responding as it has. THIS is patriotism.


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02 Mar 2022, 5:48 pm

Just a note about how the sanctions are affecting business here in Canada - a couple of our small suppliers are in Russia and since all payments to Russia are on hold/impossible, we can't pay for software licences or tools they sell.. which means we can't use them here Or anywhere our business operates. Might make some things temporarily impossible to sell if software licences expire on the tools we need to use. Hopefully one of the other suppliers from Italy or who-cares-where-else are able to provide equivalent solutions, even temporarily at a higher price.. I dunno yet - gotta ask some geeks here.


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02 Mar 2022, 5:51 pm

Hopes something comes through for you ,,! And your business.


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02 Mar 2022, 5:56 pm

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Nie mój cyrk, nie moje malpy.
I can't figure out the last word. Seems to be an expression.
Literally - "not my circus, not my monkeys". Polish proverb meaning "I'm not the one to worry about this mess". Well, I can't say the same myself. WWII-like scenes a few hours' drive from you and 50-100 thousand refugees crossing your borders every day are not something easy to ignore.
If China was to invade the Philippines right now, it would definitely be my circus, and I would definitely be one of the monkeys.

And ever since Mogadishu, I know the Hell of combat and having to deal with refugees . . . any of whom could be enemy insurgents forming a fifth column in your own country.

Keep your head down. Stay safe.



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02 Mar 2022, 6:10 pm

I can empathise with the Russians wanting a bit more power from their perspective. The United States probably seems to be oppressive and greedy to them in terms of territory & world influence.

They just have such a nasty way in most of the world's eyes though. Same as China. Both countries have close to zero diversity in terms of their populations.

If you put their different ethnicites on a pie chart, both countries are largely, ethnically homogenous.



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02 Mar 2022, 6:13 pm

In China, only about 8.5% of the population are considered ethnic minorities, and most of those minorities are from neighbouring countries like Japan or South & North Korea.

Not exactly a diverse pie, really.



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03 Mar 2022, 1:05 am

Fnord wrote:
If China was to invade the Philippines right now, it would definitely be my circus, and I would definitely be one of the monkeys.
You nailed it.

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And ever since Mogadishu, I know the Hell of combat and having to deal with refugees . . . any of whom could be enemy insurgents forming a fifth column in your own country.

Keep your head down. Stay safe.
I guess the difference between you in Mogadishu and us here is - we've been neighbours for centuries, we know each other well, we've been here all the time as things were developing.
Neither Russians nor Ukrainians want this war. It's Putin and his authoritarian apparatus so unwilling to let Ukraine go its own way that they would prefer to erase it.

Trying to keep things here orderly enough, anyway. Chaos attracts crime.


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03 Mar 2022, 1:50 am

goldfish21 wrote:
Just a note about how the sanctions are affecting business here in Canada - a couple of our small suppliers are in Russia and since all payments to Russia are on hold/impossible, we can't pay for software licences or tools they sell.. which means we can't use them here Or anywhere our business operates. Might make some things temporarily impossible to sell if software licences expire on the tools we need to use. Hopefully one of the other suppliers from Italy or who-cares-where-else are able to provide equivalent solutions, even temporarily at a higher price.. I dunno yet - gotta ask some geeks here.


There is always unintended fall out from conflict, isn't there?

I hope the pain doesn't get too bad.

If the sanctions can get the job done without WWIII, I'll take some pain.


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03 Mar 2022, 1:58 am

it is a fight over what kind of world we want to live in- one that honors the rule of international law, or one where might makes right.



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03 Mar 2022, 4:15 am

auntblabby wrote:
it is a fight over what kind of world we want to live in- one that honors the rule of international law, or one where might makes right.


All the time, xi is watching closely. 8)



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03 Mar 2022, 4:15 am

in an ideal world, what we're doin' to the rooskies, we'd be doin' to the chinese gov't as well.



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03 Mar 2022, 4:27 am

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in an ideal world, what we're doin' to the rooskies, we'd be doin' to the chinese gov't as well.


Too many people make money out of china.
Profit before common sense. 8)



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03 Mar 2022, 4:29 am

trading with the devil won't get us into heaven.



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03 Mar 2022, 4:31 am

auntblabby wrote:
trading with the devil won't get us into heaven.


If you mean dead, I think it will.
But if you aren't dead when china takes over the world, you will wish you were. 8O



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03 Mar 2022, 4:56 am

Fnord wrote:
magz wrote:
r00tb33r wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Nie mój cyrk, nie moje malpy.
I can't figure out the last word. Seems to be an expression.
Literally - "not my circus, not my monkeys". Polish proverb meaning "I'm not the one to worry about this mess". Well, I can't say the same myself. WWII-like scenes a few hours' drive from you and 50-100 thousand refugees crossing your borders every day are not something easy to ignore.
If China was to invade the Philippines right now, it would definitely be my circus, and I would definitely be one of the monkeys.

And ever since Mogadishu, I know the Hell of combat and having to deal with refugees . . . any of whom could be enemy insurgents forming a fifth column in your own country.

Keep your head down. Stay safe.


Finally some sense. Comparisons to WW2 are getting tired. Hitler invaded multiple countries and was not someone who could be negotiated with and he was also a genocidal maniac. At the beginning of WW2 nuclear weapons were also not a thing.

Putin has invaded one country so far (yeah I know, he's invaded others but those are isolated events which the western forces are not innocent of too)

He has also made his demands clear allowing plenty of room to negotiate unlike Hitler. Lastly and most importantly a new world war will begin with ample nuclear weapons.

Very different as should be abundantly clear. I'm rapidly losing respect for ex Soviet block eastern European nations and their populations for thinking their axe to grind is everyone else's axe.

I'm not particularly keen on Cardiff being leveled by a nuke because other countries with bad blood against their traditional enemy pressured other countries into starting WW3.



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03 Mar 2022, 5:16 am

so what should we do when russia decapitates and rapes ukraine?