Should Christians ever fight?
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Who did Jesus say were being killed in Matthew 23?
33"You snakes! You brood of vipers! How will you escape being condemned to hell? 34Therefore I am sending you prophets and wise men and teachers. Some of them you will kill and crucify; others you will flog in your synagogues and pursue from town to town. 35And so upon you will come all the righteous blood that has been shed on earth, from the blood of righteous Abel to the blood of Zechariah son of Berekiah, whom you murdered between the temple and the altar. 36I tell you the truth, all this will come upon this generation.
37"O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, you who kill the prophets and stone those sent to you, how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings, but you were not willing. 38Look, your house is left to you desolate. 39For I tell you, you will not see me again until you say, 'Blessed is he who comes in the name of the Lord.'[d]"
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Fine:
The blessing given to Jacob was,
and of earth's richness—
an abundance of grain and new wine.
May nations serve you
and peoples bow down to you.
Be lord over your brothers,
and may the sons of your mother bow down to you.
May those who curse you be cursed
and those who bless you be blessed."
But regarding Ishmael, this is said:
"You are now with child
and you will have a son.
You shall name him Ishmael, [a]
for the LORD has heard of your misery.
12 He will be a wild donkey of a man;
his hand will be against everyone
and everyone's hand against him,
and he will live in hostility
toward [b] all his brothers."
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Oy vey, yeah, you certainly can. But when an ally is surrounded by enemies who keep trying to destroy them militarily, then the type of aid most necessary is military also.
Nope. Just pray, equally for both sides, and then go over there and convert everyone to Christianity. Then everything will be fine.
Matthew 24:
You are going to hear the noise of battles close by and the news of battles far away, but do not be troubled. Such things happen...Countries will fight one another, kingdoms will attack one another. There will be famines and earthquakes everywhere...Then you will be arrested and handed over to be punished and be put to death. All mankind will hate you because of me...But whoever holds out to the end will be saved. And this Good News about the Kingdom will be preach through all the world for a witness to all mankind; and then the end will come.
So, don't go and fight for Israel. Go and proclaim the Good News to Israel and to all of Israel's enemies.
And, if anyone kills you because of what you are preaching, then you will come out fine. Nothing to worry about at all.
Maybe if the parakeet man would prayerfully read Luke 6
"If you love those who love you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' love those who love them. And if you do good to those who are good to you, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' do that. And if you lend to those from whom you expect repayment, what credit is that to you? Even 'sinners' lend to 'sinners,' expecting to be repaid in full. But love your enemies, do good to them, and lend to them without expecting to get anything back. Then your reward will be great, and you will be sons of the Most High, because he is kind to the ungrateful and wicked. Be merciful, just as your Father is merciful."
then he might be somewhat less interested in fighting on behalf of Israel.
Matthew 24:
You are going to hear the noise of battles close by and the news of battles far away, but do not be troubled. Such things happen...Countries will fight one another, kingdoms will attack one another. There will be famines and earthquakes everywhere...Then you will be arrested and handed over to be punished and be put to death. All mankind will hate you because of me...But whoever holds out to the end will be saved. And this Good News about the Kingdom will be preach through all the world for a witness to all mankind; and then the end will come.
So, don't go and fight for Israel. Go and proclaim the Good News to Israel and to all of Israel's enemies.
And, if anyone kills you because of what you are preaching, then you will come out fine. Nothing to worry about at all.
Do you get 72 lovely virgins in Heaven?
ruveyn
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Matthew 24:
You are going to hear the noise of battles close by and the news of battles far away, but do not be troubled. Such things happen...Countries will fight one another, kingdoms will attack one another. There will be famines and earthquakes everywhere...Then you will be arrested and handed over to be punished and be put to death. All mankind will hate you because of me...But whoever holds out to the end will be saved. And this Good News about the Kingdom will be preach through all the world for a witness to all mankind; and then the end will come.
So, don't go and fight for Israel. Go and proclaim the Good News to Israel and to all of Israel's enemies.
And, if anyone kills you because of what you are preaching, then you will come out fine. Nothing to worry about at all.
The passage in question refers to the end of time, of which the exact time is unknown except to God. However notice,
"Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword. Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels?
Notice two things: (1) the clause, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword" does not state anything regarding the immorality of drawing the sword to fight, but rather the likely manner of their death. (2) That if Christ wanted to be rescued, then over 12,000 angels would be dispatched, and do you think that those angels would merely be witnessing to the armed guards if Christ had called upon His Father?
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Matthew 24:
You are going to hear the noise of battles close by and the news of battles far away, but do not be troubled. Such things happen...Countries will fight one another, kingdoms will attack one another. There will be famines and earthquakes everywhere...Then you will be arrested and handed over to be punished and be put to death. All mankind will hate you because of me...But whoever holds out to the end will be saved. And this Good News about the Kingdom will be preach through all the world for a witness to all mankind; and then the end will come.
So, don't go and fight for Israel. Go and proclaim the Good News to Israel and to all of Israel's enemies.
And, if anyone kills you because of what you are preaching, then you will come out fine. Nothing to worry about at all.
Do you get 72 lovely virgins in Heaven?
ruveyn
Nope, as regards to sexuality in Heaven,
29Jesus replied, "You are in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God. 30At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. 31But about the resurrection of the dead—have you not read what God said to you, 32'I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob'[a]? He is not the God of the dead but of the living."
Yes, in heaven people are to be asexuals, and that is probably a good thing.
Hmmm, I don't know which would be worse for women, to be forced to marry seven of her brother-in-laws or to be forced to lose their virginity to a man who murdered in the name of God.
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The passage in question refers to the end of time, of which the exact time is unknown except to God. However notice,
...and, we all look forward joyously to the End of Time.
"Put your sword back in its place," Jesus said to him, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword. Do you think I cannot call on my Father, and he will at once put at my disposal more than twelve legions of angels?
Notice two things: (1) the clause, "for all who draw the sword will die by the sword" does not state anything regarding the immorality of drawing the sword to fight, but rather the likely manner of their death. (2) That if Christ wanted to be rescued, then over 12,000 angels would be dispatched, and do you think that those angels would merely be witnessing to the armed guards if Christ had called upon His Father?
(1) "Doesn't say anything regarding the immorality of drawing the sword to fight": so how does this support your view, if it "doesn't say anything", as you say? Obviously, it says a lot, or it wouldn't have been included in the Bible. You are sorely in need of prayer and reflection.
(2) He could have been rescued by 12 legions of angels. If he had called on these angels to fight on his behalf, then he would have been the greatest hypocrite that the world had ever seen. Again, go and pray somewhere. 40 days in the wilderness will do your soul some good.
ruveyn
Well, there is the rub, indeed.
Imagine a chap, trying to decide between Islam and Christianity.
"If I choose Islam, then I can have a quick, painless death, and, if I kill some Jews and Christians at the same time, then I'll have 72 virgins to delight me for eternity.
"If I choose Christianity, then I will have to endure a slow, painful death. As long as I remain true to the end, and neither resist nor fight back, then I will get to Heaven, where I will have no p**** at all."
Islam may have a marginally more effective selling point.
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