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Are you kidding me?



More half-truths, eh?

Check this video:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OWpC_1WP8do[/youtube]

Steven Jones is a liar who doesn't deserve to be trusted as a physicist.



Ok, why are you afraid of posting links to videos debunking the crap spewed out by that series?

I'm not familiar with the two you mentioned, but what do you mean by "widely accepted"? As you may know, 911 conspiracy theories are also widely accepted as "factual".



No problem. All you have to do is check the following thread:

http://www.wrongplanet.net/postt147919.html



So what exactly is the Illuminati as mentioned in various conspiracy theories? Can we know for sure the details surrounding it? Or do we have to keep relying on speculations and creative stories and moments of the past?



Conspiracy theorists, in general, will say anything to "prove" their points. You seem to underestimate them.

Check the following forum:
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread440882/pg1

So exciting!! !! !!



Andrew Hitchcock again .....



The Bible??? I wonder what verses were taken out of context to support your views.

I bet you take quotes out of context in those books you listed.

Oh, and Texe Marrs is a big liar.



So? Listing and citing sources is not the same as quoting and understanding the sources within context.



Oh, yeah. That would be one hell of a mental masturbation.

Wrong. There is evidence. I posted two videos earlier in this thread that show that a plane did hit the Pentagon.



How easy it is to make up claims like the above ...



Then what name do they go by? And what exactly is the Illuminati like? Please ... enlighten us.



Why the lack of confidence?



Ok ... I know it's a hard question, but ... what's your source for this?



Source?



Source?



You, my friend, have just had an Asperger's moment. I meant "psychological power". What's this psychological power that makes conspiracy theories so attractive to people?

MK-Ultra was some nasty CIA stuff, trying to create an unconscious assassin by means of everything from hypnosis and brain washing (think Manchurian Candidate), and even through drug use like LSD. It was pretty evil, and one agency researcher who had been unknowingly slipped LSD (he was apparently the actual test subject) had plunged to his death from a hotel window after telling his wife he had done something terrible. Officially, all this creation of an unconscious assassin who could be activated at anytime never worked. But there have been conspiracy theorists who have come to believe that assassins like Lee Harvey Oswald and Sirhan Sirhan may have been activated to commit murder, after being programmed.
I admit, I've never heard of the other program.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

You are so sneaky, aren't you?



Some posters have responded to this already, so I won't address this again.

Ok, man, whatever you say, lol.

Thanks for the information. Still, we should always be careful to differentiate the clear facts from the speculations no matter what.

^^^^^

Ted Kaczynski was involved in MK-Ultra. The program was obviously a failure (so I am making no connection between the success/failure of the program and his crimes). I bring this up to mention that it clearly was a torturous and psychologically damaging experiment.

I just caught a mention of "thermite residue" being found in Manhattan being put forth as part of a 9/11 conspiracy theory. Now for those of you who don't know, thermite is simply a mixture of powdered iron oxide (rust) and powdered aluminum, usually ignited by means of a magnesium strip. It's used in welding railroad ties out in the sticks where it's tough to haul in equipment, and used to be used by saboteurs to destroy tanks and artillery by fusing the breach shut. AFAIK it is not used in demolitions, it's simply too slow and it's action is more a melting or welding than a cutting one; CD is all done with shaped charges and det cord. As to the residue, aluminum planes were crashed into steel and concrete structures, it seems pretty obvious how iron and aluminum "residue" would tend to get scattered about.

Absolutely.
But of all conspiracy theories, I think the notion that the assassinations of the Kennedy brothers and MLK were carried out by more than just lone nuts has perhaps the most credence (possibly). But envisioning brainwashing the shooters by the real conspirators (among other things) does nothing but make genuine assassinations researchers appear to be no more than the run-of-the mill conspiracy nuts. Just look how the late former New Orleans DA Jim Garrison found his very promising career destroyed when he began listening to every crackpot and pathological liar who claimed to want to help him in his investigation of the Kennedy assassination.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Thanks, you have now outed yourself as a typical BS spreader.

No, the vaccine link is confirmed false. There is evidence for it to be a freaking lie. Because Wakefield's fraudulent study caused many students to come, and consistently no link was found. THERE IS NOT EVEN CORRELATION between vaccines and autism. The claim that vaccines cause autism or are related in any way is 100% BS. More info here: www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/?cat=36 . Read it all, educate yourself, learn not to make statements when you know nothing about something. Specially when it comes to vaccines because your frigging ignorance may result in actual deaths.

It is way different from the case of god. Although the Christian God story is confirmed false due to the bunch of evidence that shows the bible is completely wrong. It is always possible a god exists for some odd reason. He would not have been necessary for creation or evolution but maybe such a deity exists. It is not a falsifiable fact, so you cannot prove that it does not exist. The vaccine-autism claim is completely falsifiable and it was proven false.

In the case of global warming, we have models that can only succeed at predicting the current temperature rise if we consider man-made it is not strong evidence. For Vaccine-autism on the other hand, there is strong evidence that there is no such link.


A lot of men in lab coats lie. For example Mr. Wakefield was a corrupt doctor that used fraudulent data to spread the myth that there is a link between vaccines and autism. He received money from lawsuit lawyers to do that study and he falsified data in order to do it.

Nobody is asking to blindly follow what scientists say, but to follow what science says. When a scientist makes a claim that is fraudulent and because of money he received, there are tons and tons of other scientists that will test the claim themselves.

It is silly and naive to think that only big pharma has the money to spend on scientists and studies, when clearly the side against big pharma has paid for tons and tons of studies. Alt med guys are as likely to pay for studies as big pharma, and they do. The big supplement industry is as corrupt as the big pharma industry, but worse, because at least big pharma's stuff work.

The same with global warming, you are not telling me that the oil companies can't afford to pay for some studies...

All studies need money to be done. And bias is everywhere, so what stops scientists to make conclussions up? Any outstanding claim will likely be verified multiple times and scientists found to falsify data and/or to take conclusions that contradict it will be found. As a result, they will lose their licenses and they will be outed as frauds. That's what happened to Mr. Wakefield.

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It is covered in dust. Which lies upon the rock. The rock is under the dust. Thrusters would have disturbed the dust, blasted an area nearby clean. Where does said dust go? No wind to spread it. It would just settle wherever it got blown to by the thrusters, which would be the surrounding area where the astronauts were walking. The thrusters wouldn't damage the rock underneath, and the dust isn't THAT deep that you would get a huge crater.

Wow...you must posses the one item of evidence that NOBODY has ever produced before.

Sorry. Not one shred of evidence of a plane hitting the Pentagon. Initial hole (captured by photographs and videographers) shows something way too small for a plane to create and absolutely no evidence of an aircraft hitting the building (debris, etc.). Only the government's claim that it was a plane. There is video evidence of planes hitting the WTC, but not the Pentagon.

As for the rest of your questions, do your own research. I used to really be into following this stuff, and I have multiple CDs and some DVDs full of files and stuff I downloaded in case it got wiped off from the sources I consulted. I have no time or desire to pour through them to find where I got each of the tidbits I posted up here...especially since I suspect you would not accept any of it as credible...making the whole exercise a waste of my time.

The evidence has always been there. For those not interested in digging, they are never satisfied with a quick answer, and the "quick answer" they are asking for has nothing quick about it. The truth goes pretty deep and gets very ugly. There are some extremely sick and perverse people running the show in national and global politics. Killing several thousand to make billions is nothing to them.

I think that if you need evidence the Apollo 11's moon landing was true, you must head towards the fact that the flag "waved".

"Flags won't do that in space" is what any layman with some background knowledge about atmosphere would think. So, if you were to make a hoax landing video, you would make sure not to make the flag "wave" or look like it was.

But the flag did, and it turns out there is a perfectly reasonable explanation for it.

If its a clear fact, why havnt the powers that be released any film of it?, the most surveyed building in the world, yet they confiscate the security camera film from the nearby petrol station, are they trying to hide something?

All they release is the five frames as followed, no need to watch it all, Iam just talking about the visible exhaust trail

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwrIsq4XaQg&feature=related[/youtube]

Now, I used to be an aircraft mechanic in the armed forces, but you only have to go to your local airport and watch the exhaust trail from Gas Turbine engines at full throttle on takeoff, to see that they dont actually leave a visible exhaust trail, just a heat haze, what does leave a white trail like the one in the 5 frame release, is a rocket engine, the sort they use in missiles like bunker busters, which are the only "aircraft" able to penetrate 3 rings of the Pentagon.

Now these witnesses you talk about, do they include these Police men who where there, and witnessed what actually happened?

Or I suppose they are liars as well as anybody else who you have no other excuse for.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=elKov_UZDQE[/youtube]