"It's my birthday, so vote against 'Gay Marriage'"

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I would like an answer, too. I'm not going to ban him, or anything.

An answer to TEGH's question would be even better.

Oh sure, everything you do should affect something else in some way. But the reason we have laws and/or morality is not to prevent all actions that could indirectly cause a negative effect probably if given a set of conditions.

If I find a coin in the street I may be causing less luck to a person that would go to the same street after I pick the coin, because she will not be able to find the coin. But that's not the government business to interfere.

I could marry a girl right now without any love and get children and then divorce and it would cause several harm to society to do something as stupid, yet I am perfectly able to do it. It becomes silly that we are not allowing even homosexual people that truly love each other and truly want a good family to do that, yet we do not care (legally) about the ill effects of the thousands of heterosexual marriages that shouldn't have happened.


I think it is ridiculous and laughable that you just compared homosexuality with genocide. So much that I am not sure whether it makes sense to take you seriously anymore.

Then to avoid that law, nobody would marry. It's that simple.

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It was something someone showed me off an official site years ago, and now it's something I can't bring up on the search bar. It doesn't meant that it doesn't exist, only that it's hard to find.


Besides, why do you care if someone objects to the idea of gay marriage? To use the old gay rights trope, it's not like it affects anyone but the believer themselves. It's as if you believe that anyone who believes differantly then you is committing a thought crime, even though it's just an opinion.

Unless you are gay yourself, saying "I have a friend who is gay" just means that you are seeing it from an outsider's view with an outsider's opinion, and you don't see what actually goes on in the gay culture. Have you ever read stories about those who decided to come out of it, and what they've experienced? Or do you only read stuff that supports your own opinion?

To those that like to call me 'Those people,' I am NOT one of 'Those people.' I am bisexual, and I know more what it's like to be gay then you straight people who like to thump your chest and say your a friend of gays.

You only like us because it's a social fad that's trendy today, because we've been given special 'wooby' status. 30 years ago you people would have gladly called us names and beaten us up.

And your so afraid to 'offend us' that you never mention that 51% of all new AIDs infections are aquired by gay and bisexual men, even though gays number about 2 percent of the population. If you want statistics for THAT CrazyCatLord, then I'll tell you where to find them: Look up www.cdc.gov under HIV incidence.

To be honest, I am not interested in the affairs of practising gays. I really don't care if they have sex with others of their own gender. I just want to be able to freely express a differant opinion then the crowd, without people acting like they are the thought police. That bothers me much worse then anything the practising gays could do. It's like the herd mentality rules.

the freedom of opinion means i have the freedom of having any opinion of your opinion,

so people detest your opinion, and they express it, just like you do,

no one has the right not to hear certain opinions, you argued that exact point at some points and that we shouldnt voice our opinion of you in the process, detestable.

The reason that I care, other than supporting equal rights for everybody (I also support gender equality without being a woman), is that I've experienced homophobia and discrimination first-hand. Since I was a teenager, everyone I met has thought of me as gay. It might be my way of speaking, or little feminine movements and gestures that come down to my aspie-ish awkwardness, or perhaps the fact I, too, am slightly bisexual.

I would put myself at a 1 - 1.5 on the Kinsey scale, although I've had more sex with men than with women (simply because it was easier for someone without social skills). Anyway, I know what it feels like to be bullied and despised because of your perceived sexual orientation. Unequal rights are just the tip of the iceberg, and equal marriage rights would benefit bisexual people as much as gays. If I ever fall in love with a person that I want to spend the rest of my life with, that person could very well be male or transgender. One never knows.

As for gay culture, I don't think there is any such thing. Yes, there are gay clubs, colorful parades, party animals, promiscuous people and drug users. You will find the exact same types of people among heterosexuals. That is not the gay culture though. Many if not most gays are perfectly ordinary people who share the same values as the mainstream culture, people who would like to settle down with someone they love and perhaps raise a kid. One aspect of the constant discrimination against gays are these silly gay culture stereotypes.



I don't know who these "you people" are that you are talking about. I'm 40 years old and have never beaten up anybody in my entire life. There are minorities that I'm not very fond of, simply because they are discriminating against other minorities, but I wouldn't want to beat them up either. I believe in "live and let live", unlike some of the people who supposedly follow Jesus (who, ironically, taught a "live and let live" philosophy too).



Yes, I've seen this statistic on this website: http://www.atsu.edu/faculty/chamberlain ... e/aids.htm
The same website says "African Americans, while comprising 13% of the U.S. population, accounted for 51% of the new HIV infections in 2007." If AIDS risk is a deal breaker for you, how do you feel about the marriage rights of African-Americans? Do you want to deny them the right to marriage too?

I really don't see what STD risk has to do with marriage equality. I'd wager that the people who have unprotected, promiscuous sex are not the same people who want nothing more than to get married and spend the rest of their life with the same person. That goes for people of all sexual orientations, skin colors and shoe sizes.

Besides, how exactly does the denial of marriage rights combat AIDS? What we need is better sex education, more advocation of safe sex, more public awareness of STDs, and better access to health services. And of course we have to get rid of those silly religious taboos against condoms and other means of protection / birth control.



If you want to express a different opinion than those of us who think that all people should enjoy the same human rights, regardless of their sexual orientation, gender, race, or socio-economic status, you are of course free to do that. But like Oodain said, others have the freedom to comment on your controversial opinion.


PS: There is nothing wrong with being bisexual. Your comment about "practising gays" makes me think that you have listened to people who told you otherwise. Just ignore them. They are not trying to help you, they simply hate everybody who is different.

As a matter of fact, my wife is bisexual, and whose first sexual experiences had been with another woman. So I think it's fair to say, it's hardly just a matter of being "a social fad that's trendy today" with me. No, it's love.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

Lucky you...

My wife has a lovely friend that I got to know quite well back in my more hedonistic college days. I keep trying to talk them both into doing a sort of "sister-wives" thing, but so far I've been unable to convince them into going for it. *sigh*

The most my wife is going to do these days is masturbate while I watch, after looking at all girl porn. What can I say - my wife takes her marriage vow very seriously.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

What is a "sister-wives thing"?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yvsVZdO6FJU[/youtube]

I think what AngelRho was getting at was having two or more women having sex with not only the man, but with each other. Perhaps the term "sister-wives" should be substituted with something else.

-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer

It's a reference to FLDS polygamist practice. I'd have two wives--the one I'm currently LEGALLY married to and my "spiritual" wife.

I'm half-joking, btw. I don't think it would actually work in reality.

Hey, what happens behind closed doors is nobody else's business, right?

What if some dusky maiden decided to claim you but you had to be brother-husband to three other dudes

That's quite interesting, the whole possibility of "having sex with each other" part...

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QFH. Unbelievable. Where do you see homosexual sex in public?

AngelRho still has to answer the questions back on Page 10, by the way.