Raptor wrote:
I'd take civil war even knowing that I'd likely die in it.
How's that saying go; "from my cold dead hands"?
I'd move. f**k it. In Japan I'd probably be able to own a 12 gauge shotgun if I lived there long enough anyway. And I'd not have to worry about, you know, a war? Even now you know there's a lot of civil strife in the air when cops walk around in body armor and with M16s and have APCs. And we have Soviet gulag level incarceration rates. In that perspective, a civil war wouldn't be a massive change of pace in good ol' Insane Asylum America. Just part of the master plan to have some more "terror" attacks from a different enemy, and further erode the rights of the American people so they're dependent upon their government for everything.
The only reason the American Revolution was won was because the Founding Fathers had enough self interest and basically thought it'd be cool to lead a country. The founders were only interested in their own power, not justice. Ethan Allen, for example, was in negotiations to give Vermont back to Britain, with him being the governor. And then with the Whiskey Rebellion, we ended up with higher taxes than Britain imposed anyway. I doubt anything good would come out of a Third American Civil War if one happened.
You also put too much faith in the American people. They do not care about the future at all. How many Americans would find a cool libertarian land a place they wanna live? Probably less than 5% of the population. Most of the population, if not working, want Obamaphones and food stamps, and if working, want to buy new cars and flatscreen TVs and go to the mall, and don't care about anything else as long as they can have those things.
Lastly, arms does not guarantee successful revolution. Not in the slightest. The only thing that guarantees that is collective will of the people, which as I said, we don't have. In prisons in South America, prisoners have guns and explosives. But they're still in jail. Why? Because they're too busy fighting amongst themselves to fight against their captors. They concern themselves with the day to day prison politics and do not see the big picture. Things are designed this way. Nazi Germany worked that way, people were rounded up and put in prison, and people just went "well, not my problem, they probably did something bad anyway" and hey, Hitler made the trains run on time and made Germany rich and powerful, why
not like that?
http://www.economist.com/node/21563288Quote:
A fire begun during a fight between inmates at San Miguel prison in Santiago, Chile’s capital, in December 2010 killed 81 prisoners and injured 15. Survivors said a group of inmates used a homemade flame-thrower, fashioned from a hosepipe and a gas canister, to set fire to a mattress barricade erected by a rival group in their barred cell. San Miguel was not a high-security jail, and the victims of the worst prison fire in Chile’s history were all serving sentences of five years or less, for crimes such as pirating DVDs and burglary.
That is human nature.
I cannot imagine anything good coming from this Civil War scenario presented here, nothing at all but pain and misery.