Georgia and its attempts to prosecute "voter fraud"
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http://www.vice.com/read/the-quitman-10-2-and-voter-suppression-in-modern-georgia-715
It is a lengthy article, but here are the key points it makes:
Bessie Hamilton, Lula Smart?s godmother, was also named on Smart?s indictment as a victim of her alleged voter fraud. When called to testify against Smart, Hamilton said that GBI investigators actively intimidated her when they arrived unannounced at the doctor?s office where she worked. Hamilton told the courtroom that the investigators brought her into an unused break room and told her she had recently been in danger of incarceration, apparently in regard to the primary election. She then signed a statement that the investigators had written for her, even though she was too frightened to properly review its contents.
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For anyone who says voter disenfranchisement and racism aren't problems anymore should be made to read about this case.
And as far as voting by mail is somehow morally wrong and undemocratic - as one white Georgian conservative claimed - I'd like to point out that mailing in our ballots is how voting is commonly done here in Washington state.
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And as far as voting by mail is somehow morally wrong and undemocratic - as one white Georgian conservative claimed - I'd like to point out that mailing in our ballots is how voting is commonly done here in Washington state.
Yeah, your right. Voter suppression is an epidemic of Biblical proportions, everywhere of course but Washington state.
It's so bad that Obama was elected TWICE.
Next...
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Without even considering whether or not the voter fraud charges are valid, it's this BS of calling in der einsatzgruppen for ANY felony warrant that's a growing problem in itself. To me this disturbing practice of the cops going tactical at the drop of a hat is actually the bigger problem.
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Kraichgauer
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And as far as voting by mail is somehow morally wrong and undemocratic - as one white Georgian conservative claimed - I'd like to point out that mailing in our ballots is how voting is commonly done here in Washington state.
Yeah, your right. Voter suppression is an epidemic of Biblical proportions, everywhere of course but Washington state.
It's so bad that Obama was elected TWICE.
Next...
Not that forces of conservatism hadn't tried to deny Obama a second term with specious claims of voter fraud. Now, they want to nullify any further progressive political victories by stepping on the black vote by making a select few suffer in public view.
You can't tell me you don't see through these bullsh*t prosecutions in Georgia for what they are.
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-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
And as far as voting by mail is somehow morally wrong and undemocratic - as one white Georgian conservative claimed - I'd like to point out that mailing in our ballots is how voting is commonly done here in Washington state.
Yeah, your right. Voter suppression is an epidemic of Biblical proportions, everywhere of course but Washington state.
It's so bad that Obama was elected TWICE.
Next...
Not that forces of conservatism hadn't tried to deny Obama a second term with specious claims of voter fraud. Now, they want to nullify any further progressive political victories by stepping on the black vote by making a select few suffer in public view.
You can't tell me you don't see through these bullsh*t prosecutions in Georgia for what they are.
Seems like if they had better voter ID laws the bulk of that problem might go away.
Personally, I don't believe there's a significant number of voter fraud cases to justify voter ID laws, BUT on the other hand I don't see a requirement for voter ID's to be the infringement you and yours claim it to be.
Likewise, I don't believe there's a significant number of gun related crimes to justify having to produce ID and pay for a NICS check for each purchse, BUT on the other hand I don't see the requirement for it be the infringement some claim it to be.
The difference between you and I here:
You believe voting is an absolute right but dismiss the right to bear arms as totally insignificant and passé.
I believe both are rights that are best left not f*cked with.
In this case I'm more of a liberal in the classical sense than you pretend to be.
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Kraichgauer
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And as far as voting by mail is somehow morally wrong and undemocratic - as one white Georgian conservative claimed - I'd like to point out that mailing in our ballots is how voting is commonly done here in Washington state.
Yeah, your right. Voter suppression is an epidemic of Biblical proportions, everywhere of course but Washington state.
It's so bad that Obama was elected TWICE.
Next...
Not that forces of conservatism hadn't tried to deny Obama a second term with specious claims of voter fraud. Now, they want to nullify any further progressive political victories by stepping on the black vote by making a select few suffer in public view.
You can't tell me you don't see through these bullsh*t prosecutions in Georgia for what they are.
Seems like if they had better voter ID laws the bulk of that problem might go away.
Personally, I don't believe there's a significant number of voter fraud cases to justify voter ID laws, BUT on the other hand I don't see a requirement for voter ID's to be the infringement you and yours claim it to be.
Likewise, I don't believe there's a significant number of gun related crimes to justify having to produce ID and pay for a NICS check for each purchse, BUT on the other hand I don't see the requirement for it be the infringement some claim it to be.
The difference between you and I here:
You believe voting is an absolute right but dismiss the right to bear arms as totally insignificant and passé.
I believe both are rights that are best left not f*cked with.
In this case I'm more of a liberal in the classical sense than you pretend to be.
The only reason why I hold voting rights above gun rights is because we're a civil society based on laws. We make changes with the ballot, not the bullet. I can see the need for personal and home protection, but not for making change in government.
And I have no problem with voter ID, as long as those ID's are distributed free of charge to voters - as we have here in Washington. It's when the cost of the ID's become the equivalent of a poll tax to disenfranchise poor and minority voters that I have a problem with.
And in closing - as classical liberals were by today's standards conservatives, I'll grant that you fit that definition better than me.
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-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
And as far as voting by mail is somehow morally wrong and undemocratic - as one white Georgian conservative claimed - I'd like to point out that mailing in our ballots is how voting is commonly done here in Washington state.
Yeah, your right. Voter suppression is an epidemic of Biblical proportions, everywhere of course but Washington state.
It's so bad that Obama was elected TWICE.
Next...
Not that forces of conservatism hadn't tried to deny Obama a second term with specious claims of voter fraud. Now, they want to nullify any further progressive political victories by stepping on the black vote by making a select few suffer in public view.
You can't tell me you don't see through these bullsh*t prosecutions in Georgia for what they are.
Seems like if they had better voter ID laws the bulk of that problem might go away.
Personally, I don't believe there's a significant number of voter fraud cases to justify voter ID laws, BUT on the other hand I don't see a requirement for voter ID's to be the infringement you and yours claim it to be.
Likewise, I don't believe there's a significant number of gun related crimes to justify having to produce ID and pay for a NICS check for each purchse, BUT on the other hand I don't see the requirement for it be the infringement some claim it to be.
The difference between you and I here:
You believe voting is an absolute right but dismiss the right to bear arms as totally insignificant and passé.
I believe both are rights that are best left not f*cked with.
In this case I'm more of a liberal in the classical sense than you pretend to be.
Who said anything about overthrowing the goveremnt? You're just full of straw men and dodges today, arent you?
WOW! You said that on your own without Dox having to take up two pages laboriously beating it out of you?! I"m going to pinch myself to make sure I'm not dreaming.
By liberal in the classical sense I didnt mean classical liberalism by definition but instead not being so selective about rights like social liberalism is guilty of.
Either way, what's wrong with classical liberalism that you don't feel the need to out-do me?
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Kraichgauer
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The burden of providing voter identification is spread out over the whole electorate, thus isn't even noticed, whereas putting that burden on poor voters amounts to a poll tax. And the only reason for a poll tax to exist is to keep "undesirables" from voting.
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-Bill, otherwise known as Kraichgauer
You still think conservatives (including me) are actually so evil as to overtly devise a plan to keep the untermenschen away from the polls.
Whatever.....
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Kraichgauer
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You still think conservatives (including me) are actually so evil as to overtly devise a plan to keep the untermenschen away from the polls.
Whatever.....
I never said you, but it's obvious that in areas where conservatism is associated with past racial discrimination - such as in Georgia - it's hard not to come to that conclusion when something as in this article happens.
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sonofghandi
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You still think conservatives (including me) are actually so evil as to overtly devise a plan to keep the untermenschen away from the polls.
Whatever.....
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