is christianity a religion for neurotypicals?

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DanielW
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07 Mar 2023, 8:05 pm

So far, it looks like every religion is for neurotypicals. I've searched for (and happily given up looking) something that I can agree with and believe in. I seem to find "plot-holes" and/or faulty logic with every one I have looked into closely.



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07 Mar 2023, 10:10 pm

GMW73 wrote:
"I hope that you are aware that you are responding to posts made NINE YEARS AGO. Look at the dates please."

Sorry, I didn't realize there was a time-limit on topics of interest.

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Why the sarcasm?

You didnt know that posts have dates.

I pointed that out to you for your own good so you dont make yourself look foolish by doing things like giving relationship advice to some guy who posted about his girlfriend fifteen years ago(when the issue is long gone and the person you're addressing isnt even on the site anymore).



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07 Mar 2023, 10:14 pm

Sorry, I don't mean to sound sarcastic, but is there an unwritten rule about re-visiting old topics? I came across it through the search bar and it sounded interesting. Perhaps there are newer threads covering the same material. If so, then my mistake.



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07 Mar 2023, 10:24 pm

GMW73 wrote:
I don't mean to sound sarcastic here, but is there an unwritten rule about re-visiting old topics?


There is such a term as "necroing" (bringing old threads to life). Not a term confined to this site.
But...

IF I were God of WP, or the Emily Post of WP, I would decree that its fine to recycle old threads. But you have to use proper etiquette and state that you are aware that you're doing that. Write sumpin' like "I know that this is an old thread, but I find the topic relevant still".

This topic is fine for a reused thread because its a perennial topic.

But sometimes folks will make themselves look foolish by doing things like give relationship advice to some lovelorn teenager...by replying fifteen years later (when the issue is long gone, the teenager is middle aged, and isnt even an active member of WP anymore, and thus cant recieve your wisdom) because the person making the new post didnt notice the date on the teenagers post.



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07 Mar 2023, 11:48 pm

Sure, and thanks for the tip.

Can I add though, that some people are really sensitive to yelling, and that a string of capital letters can easily be taken as being yelled at. Italics are nowhere near as aggressive.



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08 Mar 2023, 1:18 am

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Do you feel that Christianity is a religion that suits aspies? Or is it a religion for neurotypicals? My own feeling is that Christianity is basically a religion adapted to neurotypicals, but I'm open to my views changing in the future.

I can only speak from my experience as a member of the traditional church of Christ/non-institutional church of Christ....That being said.There are elements of the church of Christ that are suited more for neurotypicals and some that could be suited to the neurodiverse as a well.One thing that is not suited for us is that people with anxiety are sinning against God and Jesus according to the church of Christ.Also all the socializing would be too much for a lot of autisticss.A lot of us would prolly have trouble with the young earth creationism of the church of Christ.A lot of us myself included would have trouble with the church of Christ beliefs about medical science because of the increased belief in miracles still happen. Also the church of Christ in general is against covid vaccines and the covid lockdowns and masks which is totally foolish to me because vaccines are proven medical technology that saves lives.

Also another medical issue in the church of Christ is the one-cupper churches where everyone in the congregation drinks out of the same cup every sunday morning.I heard that was a big controversy during the Spanish Flu Pandemic about 100 years ago.I wont ever take communion in that way because I believe in medical science and the germ theory and people most likely died from it during epidemics and pandemics.The Enlightenment nature of the church of Christ seems appealing to people like us.All the rules in the church of Christ would prolly turn off many of us.Some rules even make me upset like no drinking and no drinking in public no buying alcohol in groceries stores but only liquor stores no going to bars no drinking at restaurants in your hometown.Like I am well over 21 so why cant I drink at restaurants locally on sundays and wednesdays.

Also the fact that most churches of Christ dont use alcohol in communion could upset some people who want to be as authentic as possible and as logically as possible since the first Christian drank wine with communion.Also the fact that I am not allowed to drink with fellow Christians for the most part upsets me because the early Christians in Acts ate and drank together on a regular basis.Granted times were different back then.Leading songs and prayers and delivering sermons could be hard for some autistic young boys and men in the churches of Christ.The fact that there are no instruments in the worship could be beneficial to people in the church of Christ who are autistic due to noise sensitivity.Also the church of Christ is very big on routines so I think that would be good for us.

Some of the routines are daily bible study and praying without ceasing.Another routine aspect of the church of Christ that would be good for us is that every single worship service is basically done in the same order and format.However many church of Christ people who are on the spectrum may grow bored during classes and sermons but it seems like many of the younger neuroptypical people get bored too.I dont think neurodiverse kids or neurotypical kids in general would want to attend a old school church of Christ during the holidays because of we historically dont believe in Halloween, Christmas, and Easter.Also there are a few rare scenarious that could come up that any kid would not like.

For example if a family that was Jehovah's Witness but had converted into a church of Christ everyone in their local church of Christ including the kids would have to stop celebrating their own birthdays and all holidays if it made the ex-JW family stumble.Also it would be rare for autistic men to be a preacher, deacon or elder in the church of Christ because generally all the preachers have to be married.Also it is really hard for a neurodiverse man to be a deacon or elder because they are required to be married with multiple kids.Also I think some neurodiverse people would like the fact that the non-institutional church of Christ does not socialize with each other at the church building due to bans on fellowship halls and gyms and youth groups and joy buses and stuff like that.However some neurodiverse people may or may not like attending the churches of Christ that dont believe in sunday school because every kid would have to be in the main auditorium during worship.

Also neurodiverse people would not like being forced to confess their sins during the church assembly on sundays.Austitic kids and teens may not being church of Christ because things like caffeinated soft drinks and tea and starbucks and regular and decaf coffee could be banned for everyone in the local church of Christ while ex-mormon members of the church of Christ were there or in public if those things made them stumble.Also, I think it be hard for many autistic people to evangelize to people and tell them about the church of Christ on a regular basis.Also, autistic people would not be happy to put their birthday,Christmas,Easter , and allowance, and social security income in the plate despite being unemployed or being underemployed.Sorry for the long-winded response folks.lol.



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08 Mar 2023, 1:43 am

Christianity is a religion for sad people. None of the mainstream christians act like christ would have, hell he'd probably be hanging out with the gays and transgender if he was alive today.


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08 Mar 2023, 4:23 am

It does seem to be mostly nt's in church. But some autistic people go. You get introduced to people in church, which is what you need if you are socially isolated.

It's not even guaranteed that you'll get along with a fellow aspie in church if you meet one :)

I think the gospels are not to be taken literally, which is a problem for aspies. It was a problem for me.

I think it's positive to go to church and meet people though.



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08 Mar 2023, 4:30 am

GMW73 wrote:
Sure, and thanks for the tip.

Can I add though, that some people are really sensitive to yelling, and that a string of capital letters can easily be taken as being yelled at. Italics are nowhere near as aggressive.

Fair enough. I shouldnt have used all caps. Sorry. :)

Emily Post wouldve slapped my wrist.



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08 Mar 2023, 4:47 am

klanka wrote:
It does seem to be mostly nt's in church.
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Well... ofcourse "it seems to be mostly NTs in church". NTs are 98 plus percent of the entire human population. :lol:

If out of a congregation of say, one hundred, you met one person whom somehow you find out was autistic then that would mean that your church would already be about right in line with the world average of autistics in the general population. If you knew five folks (out of the 100) who confided, or others peached on them to you, that they were autistic then autistics would be over represented.

But I agree that for aspies, and high functioning autistics, church is a good thing. you're forced to interact. I myself got involved with a local Unitarian church, and I served on a planning board, and performed at an event before an audience. Valuable experiences. The I got busy with other stuff on weekends and couldnt be involved in anymore.



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08 Mar 2023, 5:20 am

Yeah that came out wrong, I meant to say the more outgoing people who seem to thrive on socialising tend to be overrepresented there.



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08 Mar 2023, 5:27 am

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Christianity is a religion for sad people. None of the mainstream christians act like christ would have, hell he'd probably be hanging out with the gays and transgender if he was alive today.


Speak to God about it.


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08 Mar 2023, 5:30 am

I think it depends in the denomination. For example and speaking from personal experience, being a JW is awful for people on the spectrum.

I really wouldn't fancy going to any church. I don't like being around a lot of people AND I'm a nonbeliever anyway.


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08 Mar 2023, 8:48 am

I went to (lutheran) church every Sunday for a year until I turned 14, so I could participate in the confirmation ceremony. It was very stressful, especially the confirmation ceremony. The dean accused me of being a liar and not being there every Sunday. wtf. At that point I already decided I'll leave church, which I did at age 16 or so. At the confirmation ceremony I showed up barely able to walk because of a broken ankle, which happened on Saturday evening. So I wasn't able to bend the knee before their god when it was my turn to get the magic blessing.

My aunt is Jehovah's Witness and was forbidden to show up at the ceremony. What a ridiculous BS.

Though main reason I left church is because religious class at school annoyed me. I was the only student who got bad marks, because I didn't hide from the teacher that I didn't like his religion. After leaving church, religious class wasn't mandatory anymore.

Only thing I found interesting in religious class was the geography of Israel.

I'm not atheistic anymore btw. I'm a pantheistic (or more accurately panentheistic), and my religious practice is the psychedelic experience.

I can only discourage from believing in angry sky wizards. It's unhealthy for your mind, because it becomes part of your super-ego. A god who doesn't love atheists and threatens to torture them doesn't have a justification to exist.



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08 Mar 2023, 9:03 am

Most religions have a routine that follows set rules so probably suited to someone not NT

I’ve been in a Catholic Church for Sunday mass before.

I find the church prayer before taking bread/wine in the catholic religion is quite long, it follows a set wording and kind of repeats itself.


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08 Mar 2023, 6:52 pm

My mom, my NT sister, and I are all Roman Catholic and we view
being Catholic as part of our human essences.

Back in 2013, my NT sister became ill and when word got out, people began making fun of us
and the priest wasn't much of a help. He expressed misogyny and she fully recovered within six months.

She now listens to Mass using a Catholic streaming network.

The following year, our mom became ill and word got out, the hate against us increased. Again just like the previous year, the priest wasn't much of a help and she fully recovered within six months.

In the Summer of 2015, I was diagnosed with Generalized Anxiety Disorder and Borderline Personality Disorder. When word got out, people saw me as a threat to the parish, even though I served as an usher.

In the latter part of 2017, my NT sister was diagnosed with Generalized Anxiety Disorder and around the same time, I left my childhood church and switched to a nearby parish where I serve as a Lector.

Our mom is still in denial about us having mental health issues.


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