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30 Mar 2016, 8:51 am

Putin probably wants a renewal of the Cold War, and the Soviet system.

He's ex-KGB, and shows many signs of adhering to its values.

Imagine Nixon WORKING with Brezhnev?



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30 Mar 2016, 9:05 am

Trump has actually accomplished something in his life unlike his opponents who being career politicians have only worked to destroy this country and many others as well. Trump's foreign policy is the only one that is remotely sane, the only one that doesn't have us playing world police or having another Cold War with Russia or funding terrorists to fight dictators we don't like who are actually better allies than our real allies. It's a mess, no other candidate will stand up for our sovereignty and this is something Trump has articulated on the most.



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30 Mar 2016, 9:13 am

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Putin probably wants a renewal of the Cold War, and the Soviet system.

He's ex-KGB, and shows many signs of adhering to its values.

Imagine Nixon WORKING with Brezhnev?


Putin wants us to leave him the hell alone, it's the US that has been encroaching on their sphere of the world not the opposite. Russia and the US share a common enemy in Islamic extremism which the US openly supported in Afghanistan and tacitly supported in Chechnya, they are fighting Islamic State and al-Qaeda in Syria while we debate supporting the terrorist cause and overthrowing Assad.

Imagine, we're not the good guys



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30 Mar 2016, 9:26 am

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Trump has actually accomplished something in his life unlike his opponents who being career politicians have only worked to destroy this country and many others as well. Trump's foreign policy is the only one that is remotely sane, the only one that doesn't have us playing world police or having another Cold War with Russia or funding terrorists to fight dictators we don't like who are actually better allies than our real allies. It's a mess, no other candidate will stand up for our sovereignty and this is something Trump has articulated on the most.


Trump's biggest accomplishment is being born rich. He is basically a glorified used car salesman only sleazier. And why is there so much hate for career politicians? Most of the people who created this country were career politicians. Thomas Jefferson, James Madison and Abraham Lincoln were all career politicians.

Andrea Mitchel said trump is uneducated on practically all matters dealing with foreign affairs. He has no plans, he just claims that he'll be great. Trump has no foreign policy, he has no domestic policy. All he has is a set of loose talking points and an incredibly high opinion of himself. If Trump is elected our standing in the world will drop further than it did under George Bush.



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30 Mar 2016, 9:39 am

Jacoby wrote:
Trump has actually accomplished something in his life unlike his opponents who being career politicians have only worked to destroy this country and many others as well. Trump's foreign policy is the only one that is remotely sane, the only one that doesn't have us playing world police or having another Cold War with Russia or funding terrorists to fight dictators we don't like who are actually better allies than our real allies. It's a mess, no other candidate will stand up for our sovereignty and this is something Trump has articulated on the most.

Making money in real estate and reality TV hardly qualifies someone for office.



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30 Mar 2016, 9:47 am

Trust me: you don't want another Soviet Union!



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30 Mar 2016, 10:25 am

Trump has made billions many times over and has employed hundreds of thousands of people by building things, how has Hillary Clinton made her money? Her and Bill liked to make note of their modest beginnings but now they've become wildly rich just because their political connections which were maintained while Hillary was Secretary of State, quid pro quo.

Trump's foreign policy is factually superior, it is not arguable unless you want to argue from the view point that the US should be involving itself in these wars overseas and be paying the bills for these welfare states while our country has fallen into disrepair. Hillary supports WAR, Cruz supports WAR, Trump is the peace candidate. ISIS was created because of the stupid people spanning both the Clinton, Bush, and Obama administrations. Some body that puts see America first is who we need to lead our country; not the bankers, the Saudis, the Israelis, the MIC, Wall Street, anybody.



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30 Mar 2016, 10:49 am

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Trump has made billions many times over and has employed hundreds of thousands of people by building things, how has Hillary Clinton made her money? Her and Bill liked to make note of their modest beginnings but now they've become wildly rich just because their political connections which were maintained while Hillary was Secretary of State, quid pro quo.

Trump's foreign policy is factually superior, it is not arguable unless you want to argue from the view point that the US should be involving itself in these wars overseas and be paying the bills for these welfare states while our country has fallen into disrepair. Hillary supports WAR, Cruz supports WAR, Trump is the peace candidate. ISIS was created because of the stupid people spanning both the Clinton, Bush, and Obama administrations. Some body that puts see America first is who we need to lead our country; not the bankers, the Saudis, the Israelis, the MIC, Wall Street, anybody.


In the United States it is relatively easy to amass wealth when a person starts with large amounts of money and a family wealthy enough to backstop any failures. Is Kim Kardashian a viable politician because she had made millions off her image? So you're saying Bill and Hillary made their wealth by the accomplishment of becoming President of the United States. Yeah I don't see a problem there.

Trump is only factually superior when you ignore all of the facts. And I don't know how a person who suggested we kill the families of terrorists could possibly be the peace candidate. Do you have something a little more specific to go on other then just saying "everyone else supports war"?

Isis can be blamed almost entirely on George Bush invading Iraq. It was that invasion that destabilized the area enough for the creation of that particular group.



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30 Mar 2016, 11:25 am

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Trump has made billions many times over and has employed hundreds of thousands of people by building things, how has Hillary Clinton made her money? Her and Bill liked to make note of their modest beginnings but now they've become wildly rich just because their political connections which were maintained while Hillary was Secretary of State, quid pro quo.

Trump's foreign policy is factually superior, it is not arguable unless you want to argue from the view point that the US should be involving itself in these wars overseas and be paying the bills for these welfare states while our country has fallen into disrepair. Hillary supports WAR, Cruz supports WAR, Trump is the peace candidate. ISIS was created because of the stupid people spanning both the Clinton, Bush, and Obama administrations. Some body that puts see America first is who we need to lead our country; not the bankers, the Saudis, the Israelis, the MIC, Wall Street, anybody.


In the United States it is relatively easy to amass wealth when a person starts with large amounts of money and a family wealthy enough to backstop any failures. Is Kim Kardashian a viable politician because she had made millions off her image? So you're saying Bill and Hillary made their wealth by the accomplishment of becoming President of the United States. Yeah I don't see a problem there.

Trump is only factually superior when you ignore all of the facts. And I don't know how a person who suggested we kill the families of terrorists could possibly be the peace candidate. Do you have something a little more specific to go on other then just saying "everyone else supports war"?

Isis can be blamed almost entirely on George Bush invading Iraq. It was that invasion that destabilized the area enough for the creation of that particular group.


Trump's foreign policy is essentially semi-isolationist, a heavily armed United States that doesn't work against its own interests. 100% all these other countries should start paying up or we'll leave. We've built this military meant to defend all of western civilization and beyond but only we're suppose to burden that debt? That's not a fair deal. Hillary supported every foreign policy disaster of the last 30 years, Ted Cruz has shown his true colors as a neoconservative by the people he's surrounded himself with. Only Trump is a change from the status quo in this regard.

Not accepting that Obama AND Hillary share a great deal of the blame for the rise of ISIS is just blind partisanship, trust me I know the conflict inside and out and you are 100% wrong.

Hillary needs to win or else she will be put in prison, she'll run just as leverage against getting indicted. She is a corrupt politician, that's how she became rich.



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30 Mar 2016, 11:52 am

Sure our role in the rise of extremism in the area is the fault of people on both the left and the right since at least the Eisenhower administration. But the conditions that led to ISIS specifically can be primarily laid at the feet of George Bush. Obama had to deal with the mess Bush left him. Sure he didn't do everything right, but with things as chaotic as they are in the area no one could. Oh and just saying his foreign policy was a disaster doesn't make it true.

We are not defending western civilization. The treat is not that severe. Only a tiny fraction of Muslims in that area are actually radical and trying to destroy the united states. Saying we are defending Western Civilization when dealing with ISIS is giving them way more legitimacy than they deserve. We are combating a large group of organized criminals, that is all.

I'm going to ask you again since I have never gotten a good answer. Do you know of any source that says Hillary has committed a crime and will be indicted that isn't on the far right? And the Clintons became rich by using there high notoriety as a tool to gain high speaking fees and receive large book deals. All politicians do that, it is part of the nature of the Country.

And I still maintain that Trump's foreign policy consists of loose talking points and nothing more. I doubt he understands international politics and diplomacy at all.



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30 Mar 2016, 11:57 am

I don't think Trump has a particularly strong grasp on foreign policy. For example, he seems to think NATO doesn't fight terrorism. He also thinks US bases in foreign countries are a favour to those countries, rather than something from which the US benefits immensely.

Trump was pro-Iraq and against withdrawal from Afghanistan. He also wants to declare all-out war on ISIS, bombing oil fields and putting troops on the ground. He supports military action in Iran and North Korea. He described himself as the "most militaristic" Republican candidate at an early stage in the campaign, when hardcore neocons like Bush and Rubio were still in. I think characterising him as the "peace candidate" is misleading.



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30 Mar 2016, 12:43 pm

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I don't think Trump has a particularly strong grasp on foreign policy. For example, he seems to think NATO doesn't fight terrorism. He also thinks US bases in foreign countries are a favour to those countries, rather than something from which the US benefits immensely.

Trump was pro-Iraq and against withdrawal from Afghanistan. He also wants to declare all-out war on ISIS, bombing oil fields and putting troops on the ground. He supports military action in Iran and North Korea. He described himself as the "most militaristic" Republican candidate at an early stage in the campaign, when hardcore neocons like Bush and Rubio were still in. I think characterising him as the "peace candidate" is misleading.


This is almost entirely false, Trump is totally opposed by the neocons and hasn't surrounded himself with the stupid think tank people and has actually called these people out by name so he has credibility with me. Trump opposed Iraq, he opposes this global chess game, and wars for democracy. War with ISIS may be unavoidable, being able to cooperate with Russia and Iran is the only way this game happen. The real enemy of the United States in Saudi Arabia and Trump has alluded to them on several occasions, they are the head of the snake and are probably more responsible than Israel for the US's misguided foreign policy in the Middle East. Hillary all over Libya which is now an ISIS stronghold, all over Ukraine which was done coup done for European business interests and geopolitics taking alliance with literal neo-nazi street thugs. The whole Arab Spring has American agitation all over it, who knows what alphabet soup agency or branch at this point. All these other candidates want NATO which is an antiquated anti-Soviet alliance being re-purposed for imperialism, all these other candidates surely support the aggressive expansionist policies of NATO and the EU and the latter of which may be its undoing. Everything is expansion, growth, globalizing, watering down, drowning us.

Donald Trump is the better candidate for the average American than Hillary Clinton or Ted Cruz



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30 Mar 2016, 12:52 pm

Trump supporters here will whine and complain even when facts are provided against Trump and his friends. They refuse to believe anything bad about Trump and his friends. It's sickening how delusional some people get over politics and their beliefs.

But anyway- last night was classic Trump. Jon Stewart called him out about his childish ways. Using "he started it" is something a presidential candidate shouldnt be using on a regular basis. Trump is an immature draft dodging rich brat that needs attention 24/7 or he throws a fit. Unfortunately media is covering him a lot because it draws in ratings. They need to make him show his taxes- instead of avoiding it. The whole "it cant be seen because of an audit" can only go so far. I think its highly likely he is hiding something.



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30 Mar 2016, 12:53 pm

I found this surprising.Maybe Cottons not all bad.
http://www.arkansasmatters.com/news/loc ... ie-sanders


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30 Mar 2016, 1:07 pm

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Trump supporters here will whine and complain even when facts are provided against Trump and his friends. They refuse to believe anything bad about Trump and his friends. It's sickening how delusional some people get over politics and their beliefs.

But anyway- last night was classic Trump. Jon Stewart called him out about his childish ways. Using "he started it" is something a presidential candidate shouldnt be using on a regular basis. Trump is an immature draft dodging rich brat that needs attention 24/7 or he throws a fit. Unfortunately media is covering him a lot because it draws in ratings. They need to make him show his taxes- instead of avoiding it. The whole "it cant be seen because of an audit" can only go so far. I think its highly likely he is hiding something.


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30 Mar 2016, 1:20 pm

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Trump supporters here will whine and complain even when facts are provided against Trump and his friends. They refuse to believe anything bad about Trump and his friends. It's sickening how delusional some people get over politics and their beliefs.

But anyway- last night was classic Trump. Jon Stewart called him out about his childish ways. Using "he started it" is something a presidential candidate shouldnt be using on a regular basis. Trump is an immature draft dodging rich brat that needs attention 24/7 or he throws a fit. Unfortunately media is covering him a lot because it draws in ratings. They need to make him show his taxes- instead of avoiding it. The whole "it cant be seen because of an audit" can only go so far. I think its highly likely he is hiding something.


GRASPING AT STRAWS

people working their ways thru Trump grief, you'll make it to acceptance eventually


It's hard when you run up against the facts isn't it?