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13 Jul 2017, 6:53 pm

jrjones9933 wrote:

^You assert that if a person accepts systemic racism, then they must excuse ordinary bigotry?

Read what I posted and draw your own illogical conclusions, as is your wont.

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13 Jul 2017, 6:54 pm

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No, more along the lines of DarthMetaKnight. A few years ago I came up with the idea of money being distributed more evenly and everybody helping everybody else. My teacher told me that's what socialism is. I would rather it be a communal agreement rather than something imposed by government. It would be best if it existed worldwide. A pipe dream that one day everyone would suddenly get tired of both greed and poverty.

Had you proposed this in the 1950s you would have been arrested as a communist

Dude, there's no way I would have posted that on the internet in the 50's.

But my question is, is that the way a conservative thinks?

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13 Jul 2017, 6:55 pm

adifferentname wrote:

jrjones9933 wrote:

^You assert that if a person accepts systemic racism, then they must excuse ordinary bigotry?

Read what I posted and draw your own illogical conclusions, as is your wont.

In order to elicit more non-denials like this whopper?

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13 Jul 2017, 6:58 pm

jrjones9933 wrote:

adifferentname wrote:

jrjones9933 wrote:

^You assert that if a person accepts systemic racism, then they must excuse ordinary bigotry?

Read what I posted and draw your own illogical conclusions, as is your wont.

In order to elicit more non-denials like this whopper?

Case in point.

Go troll someone naive enough not to see it for what it is.

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13 Jul 2017, 9:53 pm

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In some instances, perhaps.

Many people espoused these sorts of ideas in colleges/universities even during the McCarthy Era.

It's more like-----if they wanted to dig dirt on you as a famous person with Communist leanings.

An ordinary person probably would have remained off the radar, as long as they didn't blatantly espoused the overthrow of the government.

Yes that's probably more accurate. In the 50s Australians also had a conservative government that was using the same "reds under the bed" scare campaign to lock up worker's unions who were being labelled as unpatriotic and dissident. Many spent years in jail because they dared fight for minimum wages.

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14 Jul 2017, 1:12 am

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That how racism has been redefined. In addition racism now encomposses a lot more hate and prejudice then just against black people.

I will continue to use racism to describe prejudice, stereotyping against a person of another race, and use it for racial prejudice/descrimination only. Society will judge my use the antiquated defintion of racism because I am a privileged, cisgengendered, straight, white male. Nah I am just aspie (sorry, person with aspergers) about defining and catagorizing things.

Which is why I'm of the opinion that pushing niche, ideologically redefined variants of incendiary terms and phrases on people with ASDs can be considered to be a form of ableist abuse.

Racism is racism. Those who want to factor in "power" should consider all forms of power in all relevant circumstances. If your words have the power to affect others, you have power. Period. The assertion that ""People of Color" can't be racist" because "institutional power" is doubly racist. It carries the bigotry of low expectations as well as excusing and promoting genuine expressions of hatred against white people for the crime of being born a wrongskin.

Anyone who peddles that nonsense yet considers themselves to be "anti-racist" is deluding themselves.

agreed, and i would think so.

i just find it odd, the assertion that POCs cannot be racist because of their lack of "institutional power". while surely this is sometimes steeped in truth, wouldn't this backfire as self deprecating?

just another espousal of victimhood?

often the simplest definitions with the least assumptions are the best. i think this is true here.

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14 Jul 2017, 6:09 am

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just another espousal of victimhood?

Also an excuse to victimise, and it's often defended on the grounds that turnabout is fair play.

The entire narrative is also reliant on a presupposition that racial groups are ideological monoliths, which is obviously preposterous.

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14 Jul 2017, 11:13 am

Scale matters. Frequency matters.

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14 Jul 2017, 12:38 pm

The Lies of Donald Trump’s Critics, and How They Shape His Many Personas

An in-depth analysis of the false allegations and misleading claims made against the 45th President since his inauguration.

Over the past two years, many thousands of broadcast hours and probably millions of words have been devoted to Donald Trump’s relationship with the truth. Equally, the President has made accusations of dishonesty and bias against the media and his political opponents a central part of his persona and presidency.

What lies are told about the President? Is he lying when he makes these allegations? In a feverish atmosphere of claim and counterclaim, when everyone seems to reflexively accuse everyone else of “fake news”, it can be difficult to know what’s what.

There are many articles that exist detailing lies and misleading claims made by the Trump administration. This article is intended as a neutral, reliable analysis of the lies, false allegations and misleading claims made about and against Donald Trump since his inauguration in January 2017. We’ve attempted to strip away the hyperbole, name-calling and generalizations, and examine the patterns and trends at work: what characterizes these lies and exaggerations, the effect they have, what might explain them.

http://www.snopes.com/2017/07/12/trump-lies/

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14 Jul 2017, 1:22 pm

Darmok wrote:

[i]The Lies of Donald Trump’s Critics, and How They Shape His Many Personas

http://www.snopes.com/2017/07/12/trump-lies/

Exaggerations do diminish credibility.

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In some ways, these sorts of massive exaggerations and gross distortions are even more corrosive and destructive than fake news about diarrhea on the golf course, because they bear some distant relationship with the truth.

The sources cited in the link never had much credibility, and the MSM only promoted a couple of the slurs. Opinion pieces get to do that with more flexibility than reporting.

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16 Jul 2017, 10:36 am

it seems his supporters see themselves as on the gravy train to wealth themselves, and the rest of us as unmotivated losers.

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16 Jul 2017, 1:58 pm

Trump wants to double the standard deduction, so a $6350 write-off.

That is about $2000 - $3000 take home cash for the middle class per year.

It's basic math.

The "young turks" are a mouth piece for the corporate interests that want that cash.

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16 Jul 2017, 1:59 pm

If we stop letting this administration hype everybody into misdirected hatred they might accept a DDOS from me.

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16 Jul 2017, 3:27 pm

LoveNotHate wrote:

You are really grasping at straws here.

Trump might be lowering taxes. He is also trying to deprive Americans of health care.

First you pulled the race card on Bernie and now this.

Get outside and look at the real world for once.

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