Did God err in making Adam ruler over Eve?

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I don't recall saying it was.
Wonder if the insurance pays for male enhancement drugs?That would be about right,get the old geezers horny,but don't let the ladies have access birth control to prevent pregnancy resulting from overly amped and frisky codgers.
Paul didn't seem to think women were on an equal footing.
1 Corinthians 14:33-35
1 Timothy 2:9-15
Ephesians 5:22-24
Well it seems some insurance will cover viagra but not contraceptives.
https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/wh ... ab7c646b13

That’s part of a larger section on keeping order in church meetings. It has nothing to do with inequality. Try again.


Again...has nothing to do with male/female gender equality. Nice try, though.

Actually, this is more about class/wealth equality. Everyone knows it was common in the ancient world for women to wear more/less elaborate headdresses according to her social class. Rules on modesty are an attempt to keep everyone on the same level, where at least in corporate worship there is no rich/poor, but everyone can come together before God as equals.


*yawn*

Not impressed. Ephesians 5:25. Husbands must love their wives in the same way Jesus loves the church—so much that they would die for their wives if necessary. Nobody is asking wives to die for their husbands.

Now that I think about it, yes, maybe you’re right that there is SOME degree of inequality. Men are called upon to die for their wives, while wives are only called upon to respect their husbands. A better question might be what Biblical “respect” might mean, but that’s beside the point. A husband’s life is scripurally forfeit next to his wife. So—so much for equality. It’s not so much that men are worthless. We just, um...worth less.

The Adam created first thing... well, yes, and Paul makes an excellent point. Adam is a special creation, a sort of spokesman and steward over creation. Eve came from Adam, is part of Adam, and essentially IS Adam. Their roles are complementary. Being taken from Adam’s side represents God’s intention for the side-by-side nature of male/female relationships, neither one really being dominant.

And we recall how Eden turned out...

So no, men/women will never have that kind of relationship, though we try with varying degrees of success over time. We do our best and try to do better than we did yesterday.

With that in mind, how best to approach egalitarian male/female relationships with the reality of a fallen creation and the existence of conflict? Taking Adam in his role as spokesman for humanity and as Jesus as head of the church, it scripturally does make sense for men to be representative heads of their household. True egalitarianism is impossible as long as conflict exists. So a relationship that claims to be egalitarian is merely equally DIVIDED, not equally unified. The husband is in the unique and unfortunate position as tie-breaker in the event of an impasse. In my relationship with my wife, MOST decisions she makes instantly meet with my approval since she’s smart, she knows the situation better than I do, I know she’s trustworthy, and there’s no real reason I’d object to her decisions. This isn’t always the case. If I feel decisions are morally/Biblically objectionable, I do have the latitude to shoot it down. I have the authority to do that if anything offends me enough—and it really does have to be something seriously bad. But I have absolutely ZERO authority unless she grants it to me. So...in Rho’s house, who is REALLY in charge?

You can point to my “veto” power as “inequality,” but that same power exists in other areas of society and we’re usually fine with that. So it would seem if one household chooses to allow the husband the “final say” that calling it “inequality” is an entirely subjective matter.


I can’t account for somebody else’s hypocrisy. I have trouble enough keeping myself in check.

Viagra vs. contraceptives is a whole other debate I’m not getting into.

Look, I don’t buy into the whole “contraceptives are evil” bit. That’s really more of a Catholic Church thing. I think maybe with other denominations it’s more about encouraging poor moral choices that involves both boys and girls. I’m not that optimistic when it comes to men’s behavior, myself included. It’s not a Bible thing, it’s a human nature thing. Boys are known to be more pushy and aggressive. So no, I don’t feel my daughter is safe around boys. So I feel strongly that bc is important not because it allows her to have safer sex but because it would at least give her a chance to live without the consequences of a rape if the unthinkable were to happen. It’s a safety issue that has the realities of aggressive, deviant, and manipulative boys in mind.

I think it’s just a wise thing to do, and I think it’s a shame that insurance companies are making this a big deal. The Viagra thing seems to be a simple matter of economics. Men aren’t quite so willing to admit they have a hard time getting it up, it’s not THAT common an issue (most men aren’t horizontally disadvantaged), so viagra and other ED drugs are relatively low in demand. Bc IS higher in demand and has been for a long time now. When you look at it that way, insurance have less to lose allowing for Viagra at an older age over bc at a young age.

This is more follow the money than it is gender equality in the Bible, though. Say what you will here, but I’m not interested in going that direction.

/\Maybe depends on how you interpret the bible,many took it that women were evil and caused the whole downfall.
Not that all Christians believe that.But some still do.I used to be Christian,and many held the belief that women were to be subservient to man.Especially in the Bible Belt.
https://valerietarico.com/2013/07/01/my ... chfathers/
But there is progress,many church's now allow women to be ministers and welcome the LGBT community into their doors.I think that is what Jesus would want.After he supposedly rose from the grave the first to see him were his female disciples.Maybe some of the apostles got the red ass over this.Jesus seemed to like women and wine so he's ok by me.
I don't think Jesus was a misoggynist,but I think some of his devout followers were and tainted church doctrine.
Definetly the crotchety prophets in the OT were.

Well, all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God. Eve is part and extension of Adam, and her fall happened under Adam’s supervision. So if you blame Eve and call her evil, that’s fair. But you also have to apply that to Adam. He goofed, knew he goofed, and then threw Eve under the proverbial Flintstone bus. Eve deserves a little sympathy, IMO.

Women do end up on the losing end of the war of the sexes, which can’t really be helped. The upside is men will often fight to the death to protect them, so female privilege at least offsets some of that.

The blame rests with all people, though. Hebrew laws and Christian practices seem to have laid a better groundwork for sex equality than anyone else. And by Christian, I do mean more what Jesus taught, not the “traditions” various churches taught as supposed gospel truth.

I love the Old Testament. I could talk OT for days. The trouble is it’s hard to have good discussions without narrowing things. The OT establishes God’s relationship with the world through a chosen people. The failure of this relationship and promise of reconciliation through faith sets the stage for the Messiah. The NT brings that promise to fulfillment for the salvation of the world, or at least those who choose Jesus.

So it’s more useful to discuss Christianity in relation to topics like sexual equality by referencing Jesus’ teachings. The OT is more complex and nuanced. The difference is Jesus didn’t teach a set of laws in the same sense that the Torah was law, but rather set the record straight on the original intention of having the law in the first place. But Rabbinic tradition is also notable for affording women a higher status than many other traditions. The sad fact is women WERE treated as chattel in the ancient world. OT laws grant women a protected status without completely disrupting or collapsing society. Almost everywhere Christian and Hebrew ideologies have been prevalent, the status of women has improved.

Re LGBT issues, WP site rules make Biblical responses off-limits. So I’m not going there.

Oh well,it all gets right someday.
https://youtu.be/sUcMHqiCipc

I will let a woman tell you.



How far back in time would you like to go?



Regards
DL

I like it and all of the bible as well and could also talk of it a lot.

Care to comment on your final verdict of Yahweh and his antics the way this link does?

https://vimeo.com/7038401

Regards
DL

You are the one making statements against Christianity, the Bible and Yahweh, not I. Cute little videos and other graphics are distractions, not EVIDENCE.

Please substantiate your delusional rantings. We’re talking male/female sexual inequality. I want to know exactly where it is, specifically in the New Testament, that Jesus taught that women were to be mistreated by men.

I’ll be waiting.

Have you not even read your bible?

Look up where Jesus says women are to be denied divorce while men are not to be denied.

But if you have to before recognizing the misogyny in Christianity, you are not intelligent enough for me to bother with as your religion has dumbed you down to stupid.

Regards
DL

Book Chapter:Verse, please. Your problem, not mine.

Oh, and that last bit is ad hominem. Calling out a point for being irrational is one thing, but calling someone stupid is quite another and isn’t allowed. But more importantly than that, it’s yet another distraction and deflection tactic. You simply are at this time unable to prove your point.

Maybe you’ll eventually surprise me, I dunno. I’ll keep waiting...

That’s at least two posts you’ve made without proving a scriptural basis for male/female gender equality in the NT.

While I’m waiting, I’ll say this:

A Biblical feature I always find fascinating is there’s never any significant attempt to really challenge the secular status quo, at least not directly. Jesus points to the kingdom of heaven and to salvation. He leaves the world to us to change. I won’t lie or pretend there’s not still work to be done for women’s issues. But the status of women in the West is radically different and arguably better than it was in the ancient Near East—and those changes happened in areas that were predominantly Christian or Jewish. Where Christianity as an organized religion has failed has been where political and religious leaders kept people in the dark about the Bible and used ignorance with fear as a means to secure power and keep control of the populace. I would ask those people if I were able to the same thing I’m asking here: Where is it written that Jesus taught that? Where I part ways with nominal Christianity is on that very same point. The Catholic Church places heavy insistence on its own traditions over the Bible (Virgin Mary, immaculate conception, transubstantiation, etc.) along with known apocryphal sources to support its dogma—why? Pentecostal churches confusingly teach the first evidence of the Holy Spirit being speaking in tongues in such a way some people believe you’ll go to hell if you don’t utter gibberish at a church meeting. Why is it so important when there are relatively few references to it? If glossolalia were understood differently, what effect would that have on your theology? I could go on and on all day, but the scriptural bases for a lot of things are, well...they’re just NOT THERE.

Book Chapter:Verse, please. Your problem, not mine.

I am not surprised that you do not know your own bible.

Regards
DL

Still waiting. That’s post #3.

Bite me.

Regards
DL

GnosticBishop, you should read Proverbs 31:10-31, which effectively says a wife of noble character is one who spends all her time doing housework.

Quite the wish list.

I am surprised it doers not say that she will drill more orifices if her man asks for such.

No wonder the Jewish men have a morning prayer thanking God for not making them women.

We should remember, scriptures aside, that Jewish women in Jesus' day, if he existed at all, were well on their way to equality. That might be why the Christians turned Eden from the elevation that the Jews read into it to the fall that blames Eve and the serpent for all of man's woes.

Christians liked misogyny and also wanted to vilify all the many serpent cults of those days including the Jews who venerated the serpent.

Regards
DL

So when they made the serpent the villain in Genesis, was it an attempt to make the serpent cult look bad?