What's the future for Democrats?

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A lot of the Syrian opposition were significantly better than Assad. If we'd properly supported the Kurds and the Free Syrian Army in setting up a new government then who knows, maybe they'd have stamped out ISIS the same way that the Libyans did (ISIS currently control no territory in Libya).

no future. i hope.

Just going through last month's Google feed right at the top:

http://www.cnn.com/2017/09/24/politics/ ... index.html
http://www.dw.com/en/thousands-of-stran ... a-40866412

It's not sounding anything like a resolved conflict.

this is the future of democrates.

"Don't be told what you want, don't be told what you need
There's no future, no future, no future for you"

The question isn't "is Libya bad?", it's "is Libya better off than it would be if we hadn't intervened?"

To quote your articles:

Doesn't sound much like Syria, does it?

This is several orders of magnitude below the situation in Syria. The chances are that many of these migrants aren't Libyans, but Nigerian, Eritrean, Somalian, and Ethiopian refugees trying to get to safety in Europe.

Fair enough if your criteria is comparing it to Syria at present, just that I don't think it's an open-and-shut case that going into Libya was a brilliant idea. In part of that math I don't think it can be directly argued that without toppling Libya we'd have two identical Syria's going on right now, particularly with Libya being a fair geographic distance from the heart of most of the jihadi action and the Shiite/Sunni war whereas Syria's right in the center of it. It might have more realistically looked like Nigeria's face-offs with Boko Haram but much more organized military response.

Told what we want and need? That certainly isn't Trump.

Nobody will ask you what you need anymore.

If they want my vote they will.

no, they dont. now they dont.

As long as I and others have the vote - and use it - elected politicians need beware of us, as we can boot them out of office, and undo what they've accomplished. That's why blacks were so easily treated like trash by whites during segregation, because they didn't have the vote, so nobody cared about their concerns till Lyndon Johnson put an end to Jim Crow.

Even though LBJ was the biggest d!ckcheesing sonfab!tch that ever held the office, until the orange Cheeto came into office?

You have no clue. You and other decide nothing. I dont want to be rude i just say true. Honestly time of votes in the past. Something changed drasticaly. Not everyone noticed it yet. The modern world goes to hell. Something realy horroble came. The time of pure chaos. And you did not notice. It is here. Now

But he was a wonderful dancer.

Yeah, the really horrible thing that came was Donald Trump - then he became President.
But seriously, other than Trump's election and his plans to strip us of consumer protection, encouraging the racist right, and giving the rich tax cuts they don't need, what other horrible thing has befallen us, and by whom?

No. It is not about Trump . He decides nothing either.
.

History - the logic of it - decides.

Not votes - i assure you.

There is some fatal logic of history that no one can change. Everyone is under its irone will.
It has been and it will always be so.