FBI/DOJ/Obama corruption: Worse than Watergate? We shall see

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Darmok,how can you be a Trekkie and a Trumpeter ?He goes against everything Starfleet stands for.

Sometimes it takes a Ferengi captain to clear out all the stupid space hippies running the ship.

I know how the Ferengi treat their women.As for the laws of acquisition,well Trump is obviously Ferengi,he's had surgery to hide the fact.
Still I am disappointed in you.Crying Gorn tears right now.

In the technical sense. As in conservative but not a Conservative, right-wing but not a Tory, or a Republican or a Thatcherite etc. The media have done their absolute best to destroy the term by making it solely about the Richard Spencer gang (dismissively referred to as the alt-Reich by the rest of the alt-right). Whether they have successfully destroyed the term or not, it doesn't really matter, it's just a name. I'm probably best described as a reactionary or a neo-reactionary or something along those lines, something less specific and open to media abuse.

We've been cleverly diverted from the issue at hand. Back to the topic:

Rep. Gaetz: People "Will Go To Jail" Over FISA Memo, Democrats "Afraid" To Release Info

Florida GOP Rep. Matt Gaetz told Fox News Channel's 'Hannity' on Thursday night that he believes "there are people who will go to jail" over the contents of a classified memo on FISA abuse prepared by the DOJ. It is rumored (by House Intelligence Committee Chairman Devin Nunes) to demonstrate that the Steele Dossier was used as a pretext to get a FISA warrant to spy on members of the Trump campaign during the 2016 election.

Fox News contributor Sara Carter reported Thursday that the memo shows “extensive Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act abuse.”

"I think that this will not end just with firings. I believe there are people who will go to jail," Gaetz told host Sean Hannity. "I was very persuaded by the evidence, and it also became clear to me why Chuck Grassley and Lindsey Graham felt it so important to refer this matter for criminal prosecution."

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video ... _info.html

Does Trump support the arts Darmok?
Without art and poetry humanity is nothing.
You obviously enjoy the written word in all its beauty,yet I think the man you endorse would care nothing for poets.

I was just thinking about this a bit more.

My only quibble with the labels here is that alt-right has actually coalesced into a pretty narrow category at this point. To hear the alt-right talk about itself in its own terms you don't have to go much farther than Tara McCarthy's podcasts and you'll usually hear them stated clearly by guys like Greg Johnson, Vox Day, Richard Spencer, and Brett Stevens. The core premises seem to be a) carve North America up into a series of ethnostates and b) a lot of them seem to be particularly big on the 'heroes journey' or romantic Nietzchian archetypes. They tend to like binding white identity with pagan practices (of those four though Vox claims to still be Judao-Christian, Greg is more out-and-proud pagan), and a lot of these guys have a particular reverence for Julius Evola as a spiritual leader and seem to often circle around that particular strain of rather austere Hinduism that constitutes the Western Traditionalist school of occultism/esotericism in that it bails the myth of progress with the decay of the Kali Yuga.

I think there are a lot of view points emerging that range from center to right which are neither neoconservative nor alt-right and similarly there are a lot of people who are avowedly center-left (Jonathan Haidt, Jordan Peterson, Sam Harris, Sargon of Akkad, etc.) and people who are often cited to be leftists or call themselves progressives (Steven Pinker, Bret Weinstein, Brendan O'Niell) who end up sounding right of center to people in particular ways because they're free-speech advocates and also consider identity politics as pernicious enough to be self-defeating.

From that perspective though I think people want to be careful not to equate 'view I disagree with' to 'right of center' or 'alt-right' automatically because if they do that they won't really have much of a clue what's going on or actually getting discussed from where.

Bipartisan activity from yesterday in congress regarding FISA 702.

Rep. Jody Hice‏ @CongressmanHice

Earlier this morning, I examined the classified, four-page memo from @HouseIntelComm regarding the FBI, DOJ, and the so-called #RussianCollusion. To put it simply, “WOW.” I joined the call to #ReleaseTheMemo. Americans deserve truth and transparency.

https://twitter.com/CongressmanHice/sta ... 0262354944

A nice infographic.

Aren't you forgetting someone?

I'd hate to have to troll my way into the recognition I justly deserve.
Well actually I'd relish it, but...

I didn't see this until just now.

So moderate libertarians are now alt-right?

(Hey Raptor, can you send me my membership card please?)

There's no way Trump is a Ferengi. Have you seen his tiny lobes?

Remember that anything right of far left is considered "right-wing" or "alt right" by many of our progressives here. It doesn't bother me one iota to have them see me as alt right, facist, nazi, or whatever. Coming form them they are compliments.

Lol.He thinks they are long and beautiful.

Yeah. It's definitely a term was has to be used with care, and I know I'm not alone in not always using it carefully. Although I don't want people with your views anywhere near power, in a detached sense I'm glad to know people who have a range of views. I'd much rather you became a neoliberal but that's not necessarily realistic.

See I don't think that there's anything "alt" about you except in the very broadest sense of the word. You're a fairly conventional moderate conservative with some libertarian-leaning views and also some social democratic views. I think you'd rather have Romney than Trump. You used to get made out to be the bogeyman, so you started ironically implying that you were a Nazi and now you're stuck LARPing.

Actually I think "do you prefer Trump to Romney?" is a reasonably good heuristic for identifying the alt-right. It's not perfect - you might make your choice based more on personality than politics, or hyperfocus on one issue like taxation - but I imagine it would be more accurate than just slinging mud.

Good post. I must say that actively listening to podcasts from the alt-right is an unusually high level of dedication to "learning what the other side thinks". I admire it. I hope you don't mind me saying that I think you could probably learn more, and be challenged more, from listening to liberal and centre-left views which don't "consider identity politics pernicious enough to be self-defeating". You usually do a good job of presenting the nuances of a range of, for the want of a better word, "conservative" viewpoints, but I sometimes feel as if your analysis of progressive viewpoints is simplistic.

I particularly find this when I listen to or read Brendan O'Neill, for example; I get the impression that he's basically formed an opinion of the entirety of progressive politics by reading the angriest tweets or the angriest protestors shouting in his face. While he's obviously got an association with the far-left, I think once you start calling yourself a libertarian who is opposed to gay marriage and thinks anti-racism efforts should be abandoned because they discriminate against the working class then it becomes fair to call you a conservative, even if you have some left-wing economic views. While he isn't an ethno-nationalist as far as I know, he's certainly conservative by modern standards.

Pinker is perhaps the best example to demonstrate your point. His contributions to modern liberal thought are extensive, but he is sometimes seen as opposed to it and is popular with the alt-right (in the sense of "non-mainstream conservatives"). I think this is partially because conservatives like quoting him out of context, a bit like the creationists who quote Gould saying that the tree of life is misleading, but it also shows that most people don't have ideologically "pure" viewpoints.

Ultimately I think the take-home message is that conservative and reactionary views can be found amongst authoritarians and anarchists, socialists and capitalists, and almost any ideology you care to name. Look at the so-called feminists in the British Labour Party who want to ban trans-women from being elected as women's officers: progressive views when it comes to the place of cis women, but reactionary for trans women.