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Yes, I do.
I find it pretty hard to believe that any Catholic would deny belief that Saint Peter was the first Pope, I could be wrong though.
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Reply to 2: This one is a bit difficult, but I'll venture to say yes, the souls do merge, due to the fact that the two zygotes have merged and have become a human genetical chimera. This merged soul would differ only so much as to the fact that body has the genes of a chimera.
I messed-up here, like I said, I'm no expert, I do not speak on behalf of the Church.
Correction to reply 1: When a zygote splits in two, God infuses a new soul into the new zygote at the very exact moment the two split, even though the two are identical.
Correction to reply 2: In Chimerism the zygotes don't merge, they collide and one of them dies and is absorbed into the other, with only it's genes remaining. What happens to the soul of the deceased zygote? The same that happens to any stillborn, namely we don't know, the soul died unbaptized so we can only entrust it to the mercy of God. We touched upon Limbo earlier in this thread, if Limbo exist, the child may go there, is not than, please God, he/she will go to Heaven.
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Don't bother with me, I'm just a narrow-minded bigot who does nothing but "proselytize" not because I actually love the Faith, because no one loves the Faith, we're just "using it to justify our bigotry." If you see any thread by me on here that isn't "proselytizing," I can't explain that because that's obviously impossible; because again, all I've ever done on here is "proselytize."
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Yes, I do.
I find it pretty hard to believe that any Catholic would deny belief that Saint Peter was the first Pope, I could be wrong though.
And do you believe Mary remained virgin for her entire life? Even after the birth of Christ?
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Yes, I do.
I find it pretty hard to believe that any Catholic would deny belief that Saint Peter was the first Pope, I could be wrong though.
And do you believe Mary remained virgin for her entire life? Even after the birth of Christ?
Yes, I believe all four Marian Dogmas.
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Don't bother with me, I'm just a narrow-minded bigot who does nothing but "proselytize" not because I actually love the Faith, because no one loves the Faith, we're just "using it to justify our bigotry." If you see any thread by me on here that isn't "proselytizing," I can't explain that because that's obviously impossible; because again, all I've ever done on here is "proselytize."
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Yes, I do.
I find it pretty hard to believe that any Catholic would deny belief that Saint Peter was the first Pope, I could be wrong though.
And do you believe Mary remained virgin for her entire life? Even after the birth of Christ?
Yes, I believe all four Marian Dogmas.
What are the other three?
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Greatshield17
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Yes, I do.
I find it pretty hard to believe that any Catholic would deny belief that Saint Peter was the first Pope, I could be wrong though.
And do you believe Mary remained virgin for her entire life? Even after the birth of Christ?
Yes, I believe all four Marian Dogmas.
What are the other three?
- The Mother of God or Theotokos: that is, that she truly bore in her womb (Theotokos) and gave birth to God, thus should be called exactly that, Mother of God. The Eastern Orthodox and Luthrans also believe this dogma, and a few other Protestant groups sort of play with this and give it logical consent.
- The Immaculate Conceiveption: that is conceived without original sin. Some Eastern Orthodox people used to believe this, -including the first Patriarch of Constantinople under Ottoman rule, which is very ironic considering he was a Thomist, and Thomists were the key opponents of the Immaculate Conception before it became a declared dogma- but most Orthodox today reject it.
- The Assumption: That is, that she was Assumed body and soul into Heaven, which is why no archaeological search has ever found her body. The Eastern Orthodox also believe this, but they consider it a mere tradition, not a dogma.
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Your "Long philosophical argument" was nothing more than smoke and mirrors, not substantive proof. And you DID use the bible as proof by quoting from Exodus. Nice try, though. You get points for the attempt.
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It's a philosophical argument, which is why I presented the argument the way I did. The claim that particles spontaneous generate and annihilate is false, particles do not flash in and out of of existence, they exist in a wavelike superposition and then appear as particles at certain point in that wave when measured.
I think you mistake my point for something else. Please have a look at these:
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/something-from-nothing-vacuum-can-yield-flashes-of-light/
https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/are-virtual-particles-rea/
Reply to 1: Yes the soul does "split like an amoeba" because the human zygote has split like an amoeba, there are now two identical twins with there own bodies, minds, and wills.
"Totality of the body", not just the brain?
In what sense does one of the zygotes die?
I looked up natural law (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_law), and it sounds like inferring biological function and then assuming that what I know as the natural fallacy is no fallacy, but a valid guide to what is right. In other words, if I know the biological function of a behavioural trait, then whatever behaviour is involved is the right thing to do?
I don't see how that follows. The text does not state that the sin lay in there being one less human. And a larger population is only good for economies and civilisations if the population is far enough from carrying capacity. You can debate what the actual limit is, but even if resources were infinite, because access to resources can't grow exponentially, there are situations when populations grows faster than is good. Does the Catholic church accept contraception in that situation?
I don't see in that any need for population growth, never mind exponential growth.
Do religions or denominations that allow contraception then have an even greater crisis, even if they allow their clerics to marry? If not, I doubt your causal attribution.
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Pope Paul did away with that way back when I was a child in the mid Sixties. We were not Catholic but I remember it being in the news. And remember knowing other kids who "had to eat fish on Friday".
On TV they even interviewed a commercial fisherman about how the repeal of the rule would effect the seafood industry. The fisherman got indignant and said "fish can stand on their OWN TWO FEET...without the crutches of any religion!".
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But before the repeal, those who did were doomed to eternal hell...
Must be a lot of pissed people in hell saying: D'oh!
On TV they even interviewed a commercial fisherman about how the repeal of the rule would effect the seafood industry. The fisherman got indignant and said "fish can stand on their OWN TWO FEET...without the crutches of any religion!".
I can't respond to all the new questions posted at the moment due to many reasons. However I can respond quickly to this question about no meat on Fridays. In the liturgical season of Lent,* the rule no meat on Fridays is still in effect, in the other Liturgical seasons, the rule of no meat on Fridays changed to make some sort of sacrifice on Fridays. Most Traditional Catholic, myself included try to stick with no meat in Fridays because it's easier.
*Just as a quick side note, in the rules regarding fasting in Lent were actually quite strict not only was expected to abstain from meat and wine, but was also expected to abstain from dairy products and eggs, that's why eggs became a symbol for Easter, people celebrated an end to the fasting season by eating things they were forbidden to eat during Lent.
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Don't bother with me, I'm just a narrow-minded bigot who does nothing but "proselytize" not because I actually love the Faith, because no one loves the Faith, we're just "using it to justify our bigotry." If you see any thread by me on here that isn't "proselytizing," I can't explain that because that's obviously impossible; because again, all I've ever done on here is "proselytize."
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Remember that castration is the most reliable form of contraception. It's effective 100% of the time.
The Emperor of China knew this, that's why all of his servants were eunuchs to ensure none of them would have any kids.
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