God Damn America - that's what Obama's pastor preached

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Correction: Obama has not endorsed the views that are in question. Obama clearly and unequivocally endorses Pastor Wright, "talking about Jesus."

My highlight speaks for itself.

The cause for this entire controversy is politically motivated cherry-picking and distortion.

Some people will tell any lie necessary to get ahead. It reminds me of Republicans (not an honest one in the bunch) and Evangelicals who feel compelled to lie in the name of Jesus. They're two groups who will be exterminated when I have taken over the world. They will die by the millions. They will be hunted down like vermin.

I say he was the leader of a doomsday cult. They've been saying, "Yup, the world will be coming to an end any day now. Yup, any day now," ever since the dude was nailed to a piece of wood. They'll even admit that they've been making the same repeatedly disproven claim for two thousand years, but then they'll just repeat it again. To me, it demostrates a lack of integrity, like this thread.

You see, the person who created this thread is just going to keep repeating the same crap, verbatim, because this is how people get away with lies. Repeating the same line, verbatim, eventually convinces small-minded people that you're "sticking to your guns," even when there is mounting evidence that it's a freaking crock of bullhockey. Unfortunately, the reverse phenomenon has always been a problem for me because, when someone expresses doubt for what I say, it registers with me as a need to rephrase and "help them understand." It took me until I was an adult to realize what I was doing wrong. Liars are liars because liars are believed. They are our own creation. It took me a long time to believe that they were possible, but I've seen enough and been hurt enough that I'm not going to hold my silence.

All I've seen here is politically motivated slander.

It's not just incorrect. It is wrong.

If you actually read what I wrote on page 2, you'll see that it's neither politically motivated nor slander. Read carefully:





All you've read, maybe, but not ALL.

Well, of course. I was speaking rhetorically.

The tapes were reviewed and reported by ABC News. Are you saying that ABC News has something against Obama and wrote this story to help Clinton get ahead?


Anyone can register as a Republican or claim to be an evangelical but that does NOT mean that they are one. Evangelicals don't lie in the name of Jesus.



Actually, the early Christian writers wrote:

"And God made in six days the works of His hands, and made an end on the seventh day, and rested on it, and sanctified it.” Attend, my children, to the meaning of this expression, “He finished in six days.” This implieth that the Lord will finish all things in six thousand years, for a day is with Him a thousand years. And He Himself testifieth, saying, “Behold, to-day will be as a thousand years.” Therefore, my children, in six days, that is, in six thousand years, all things will be finished. (Epistle of Barnabas, Ch.15, written approx. AD 100)"

"For the day of the Lord is as a thousand years; and in six days created things were completed: it is evident, therefore, that they will come to an end at the sixth thousand year. (Irenaeus, Book 5, Ch. 28, written approx. AD 180)"

Several other writings state the world will end 6,000 years after God created Adam. Evidence from the Bible and history suggests that God created Adam approximately 4,000 years before Christ. Therefore, the early Christian writers were predicting the world would end, not anyday, but rather almost 2,000 years in the future. We are likely living in the time period that these early Christian writers predicted the end would come.

"First of all, you must understand that in the last days scoffers will come, scoffing and following their own evil desires. They will say, "Where is this 'coming' he promised?... But do not forget this one thing, dear friends: With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day. The Lord is not slow in keeping his promise, as some understand slowness. He is patient with you, not wanting anyone to perish, but everyone to come to repentance. (2Peter 3:3-4, 8-9, NIV)"

No. ABC aired these particular tapes because their content was controversial. It is you who are engaged in cherry-picking, sir. Out of everything that Obama and his supporters have said, you are insinuating that a few controversial messages on the part of his pastor should be considered the most definitive expression of Obama's views. You know this is wrong, and I consider you a highly dishonest and unscrupulous person. I should give you a bloody nose. I wouldn't trust you to mow my lawn.

Ah, the "No True Scotsman" fallacy. Evangelicals cop that crap all the time, and it's wrong.

A conservative who behaves immorally is still a conservative, and, if conservatives consistently behave immorally, it is perfectly valid to state that there is a correlation between conservatism and immoral behavior.

For that matter, I think that you knew this. Don't cop this crap with me if you know it's wrong. I should break your jaw, man. You've got a lot of nerve to come on here and pull this rubbish. Get out of here. Your conduct is vile.

Oh, but wait! I forgot! Evangelicals can't be vile, can they? After all, by definition, they eat coal and excrete diamonds! Okay, I get it now!

I really can't stand such mud-slinging, it seems illogical and dishonorable, the candidate should be judged by the candidate.

There is no "end of the world" and Obama isn't the Anti-Christ. Come on, people.

Just 'cause some guy decided to get a bunch of people together and say "I like this candidate!" doesn't mean the candidate is for everything that person stands for. And I don't know much about Liberty University, but I do know he hasn't written any books about Jeebuz, unlike Obama.

Let me add that the pastor is full of crap. I'm surprised he didn't atribute the AIDS epidemic to the lawd's wrath against the LGBT community. And yeah, the US government is out to get "them crazy n*****s!" Fundie racist conspiracy theorist FTL.

Well, actually, the US government use to test polio vaccines on Africans, in Africa. They did tests they would never have tried on White Americans. It is believed by some, one of these strands developed into the AIDS virus.

I must also agree with the Reverend Wright that what the US did in the past against Blacks was wrong, and we should not lose sight of that. I also think he is factually correct, that the attacks on 911 was in reaction to our foreign policy.

Maybe you should read this? A government funded research study on syphilis, beginning in 1932, tested the effects of pencilin on the disease. Al test subjects were black men. Some men were chosen as a control group and weren't given or informed of treatment. Many of those who werent given life saving treatment died of syphilis related causes. Consquently, this study has resulted in a wealth of knowledge o the disease. Weird, eh? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_Syphilis_Study

NewPortbeachdude: No his age doesnt justify his actons, but his age may explain why he said what he said. Yes, it is a new day, but even what you experience now will affect your perceptions in the future. Sometimes it is hard to forget the past and not be resentful. I have an uncle whom's cousin was killed by the KKK several decades ago and he is still resentful. And because of that is particularly annoying to be around him, even his kids find his resentment tiring. Still, with a new age, a new era, it is still hard for people to forget things like that because the past is so vivid. Personally I do think Wright is behind in his views, but I'm not sure if he has personally said he hates white people. Claiming the government is racist and claiming to hate all whites are too different things, arent they?

Liberty University is the Baptist college that was founded by Jerry Falwell.

As for Rev. Wright, he doesn't think that much differently than Fred Phelps.

They both claim that God hates the U.S.

I find it interesting that the tapes were reviewed earlier in his campaign and then released so the "Not so newsworthy file." Now that Clinton's behind him in delegates, they surface.

Clinton's behind all of this. Me thinks.

With all due respect, that's a pretty ignorant comparison.

Rev. Wright is referring to a very real racial injustice that he himself has experienced (see Mike Huckabee's quoted comments on the other Obama thread). Fred Phelps is a fanatical homophobe that protests at the graves a soldiers (in front of grieving relatives) and claiming that "god hates fags."

There's a pretty big difference, Tim.

Merr, I am glad to read a post that neither condemns nor sanctions the words of Wright. I tend to think like you on this issue. In other words, I try to find a middle perspective. My views tend to be more moderate.

At first, I thought Pastor Wright had really said something he shouldn't have. I was a bit insulted by it, which, for a 29 year old white male from Canada, makes no sense. Can I comprehend what Pastor Wright must have been thinking and feeling during his sermons? No, not even a little bit.

How can I if I've never victim of racism? A white male born in 1979 in Canada never understands what racism really feels like. Racism is racism, and wrong is wrong. It is that simple. I'm disappointed in so many church figures today...

go drive a truck and you will learn what discrimination is, yes even your white butt will find out what it's like to be a second class citizen in fear of the law and not wanted around.

NO TRUCK PARKING

will give you a little taste of what it's like to not be wanted around. I translates into WE DON"T WANT YOUR TYPE AROUND HERE.

The though of going down the road minding your own business and some car load of kids doing something stupid and dying under your wheels will make you think about sitting in a court room in Bugtussle and the all local jury trying your butt. It's just a flip from being a black guy and getting tried by an all white jury for killing a white person.

you will learn why people complain about getting stopped for driving while black when you get stopped for driving while trucking, didn't do nothing but the local rolling revenue ranger has you profiled and is going to check you out.

Obama showed more charactor than most any white politician ever did, he stood by his friend and defended him. said yeah the man has his issues, but considering where he came from, it's not surprising and than listed the mans good points and the reason to be his friend.

Griff, you must not threaten other members.